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Literacy, and oil. You mentioned literacy a lot.

I also heard once that there is a strong correlation with wealth and human rights abuses and civil war. in the nations of africa with having plentiful natural resources. I think it was Tantalum (high capacity capacitors) and Emeralds, along with oil (of course) and some other highly profitable natural resources.

So sad.

-- Stephen De Gabrielle, April 15, 2003

Showing that reducing our dependance on oil is an effective means of combatting of terrorism is good thinking but it is possible to go a step further.

Part of the reason we burn fossil fuels is that we use a monetary system where hoarding the means of exchange is encouraged by the fact that it bears interest. This encourages short term thinking. Assuming there was only one model of car with the only difference being how long it lasted. It is in my interest to buy 10 cars which lasts 10 years for $10000 apiece rather than 1 car which lasts 100 years for $100000. I can invest the money in the meantime and it will grow thanks to compound interest.

The solution to many political, social and environmental problems is to adopt a monetary system which is not based on scarcity and does not encourage hoarding of the means of exchange. See Bernard Lietaer's website for more details http://www.transaction.net/money/cc/cc01.html



-- Simon Tzu, April 15, 2003

Why are palestinians so violent? Because the Israelis have settled in their land .My perspective is that of all Irish People who are born and live here in our island. We have been taught , literally for hundreds of years , to hate "the settlers". In the part of Ireland , the Republic , where these settlers (since 1922)are no longer of political importance (but valued citizens), we have no bad feelings based on ethnicity or religion to them . They treated us openly as inferiors and savages for generations , nobody could (or should ) care less what they once did. In Northern Ireland , after over 30 years of violence , the settlers (Protestants) and the aboriginal inhabitants (Catholics) , the hatred is still there where these communities actually live side by side , but the political groups who represent them , after realising that neither side could overcome the other , are on the brink of a final power sharing agreement to dump all the guns . They hate the Israelis because they feel submerged by settlers who never appear to have shown them respect.

-- des fitzgerald, April 15, 2003
Great reading, as always. I would just like to add some information that may be useful for readers:



-- Fazal Majid, April 15, 2003
Lots of good info, but would point out that global warming is a farce - as you should know, with your CS degree, that the mathematical models used on even the biggest supercomputers like the one in Japan are not complex enough to give accurate results (for instance, there is no accurate model for the 75% of the earth's surface that is covered by water in terms of what the ocean will do with more heat).

Was also a little surprised that you did not mention the more evangelical or fundamentalist Christians in the USA who are very strongly pro-Israel. The State Dept and often the President's close advisors in times past have wanted to throw away the US-Israel relationship but have been stopped in part by the 20 or 30 million pro-Israel folks represented by Dobson, Falwell, etc.

-- Patrick Giagnocavo, April 15, 2003

Philip,

"The fact that the Palestinians are living in and among the Jews and would be killed alongside them might be the only thing that gives a nuclear-capable Arab pause."

I thought much of this article was well written and fairly calm and even-handed, but this particular comment struck me as unnecessary and exaggerated. Would not such a person also be concerned about the destruction of holy sites (eg Jerusalem), or perhaps the wrath of third parties (eg the US)?

-- blank blank, April 15, 2003

Phil,

This effort to claim that religious hatred is "fundamental" is pure BS. Jews are well-integrated into quite a few Muslim countries. E.g. Jews have played a dominant role in Ottoman culture ever since a large group that escaped the Spanish inquisition was welcomed in Istanbul, and more recently more Jews escaped to Turkey than the United States during World War II. Is there no religious hatred or bias ? Obviously not, nutcases exist in every religion. But I don't share your belief that hatred is fundamental and that religions are necessarily diametrically opposed and at odds with each other. I find that rather grim, and to be honest, boring vision for the future.

-- Ahmet Unal, April 15, 2003

In the section, Why do Muslims hate the United States?, in all fairness, Clinton's lack of intervention in Rawanda can be partially ascribed to the disaster in Mogadishu. Nation building requires Marshall Plan planning and not ad hoc mission-creep. This should not, however, rule out having a deployable interventionist plan for future Rawandas.

-- Jesse Burkhardt, April 15, 2003
Congratulations on a wonderful well thought out and concise piece of writing.

A couple of questions relating to this that has been bugging me over the years:
When does might make right (eg freedom fighter / terrorist) ?
At what point do people have claim to a homeland (eg a certain tenure / force of arms / first in first served etc) ?

As an Indian, born in New Zealand but working in the UK this has interested me as it relates to indiginous peoples in New Zealand where almost everyone can be considered an immigrant.

From Maori activists claiming to have been swindled by the English (weren't the Moriori in NZ first ?) to the (very) occassionaly racists in NZ ("Go home, Ghandi" - home would be where exactly ?) it seems to be at the heart of most territorial disputes. I guess the more 'civilized' and multicultural the country the less of a problem this seems to be (for example the UK doesn't seem to have a Celtic uprising claiming reparations and land back from various colonisers...).

At what point do you start and settle negotiations before moving on as members of the greater humanity ?

Again I don't know the answers but it certainly does make you think.

-- Raj Patel, April 16, 2003

Philip,

Your insights and facts are provocative and profound.

I'd like to think we can find ways to reduce Palestinian terrorism against Israel. For starters, we have removed the suicide scholarships from Iraq, can we seize those from Iran through Syria and Hezbullah? But in the longer run, we must make Palestinians wealthier and better educated, so the suicide option is simply less attractive.

Palestinians, especially those in the diaspora, are as liberal minded as any other Arab national grouping. What they and Israel need is a prosperous Palestine surrounding and effectively protecting the Jewish state.

This modest proposal assumes enough land to bring home much of the diaspora. We can double the size of Palestine by demanding that surrounding Arab states allow their Palestinian brothers dual citizenship and full rights to land ownership in a set of buffer zones with significant ties to the traditionalists who see it as once part of a Greater Israel.

We would move the nominal million residents of UNRWA camps into permanent housing. Current welfare payments could change to business and infrastructure investment.

My suggestion is to call this newly extended state Greater Palestine.

It would include a circumferential crescent-shaped highway that might strike fear into the hearts of Israeli military planners, unless they can be convinced that most drivers are prosperous Palestinian businessmen and families on their way to the beaches at Tyre in Lebanon and El Arish in Egypt.

Please check out www.greaterpalestine.org.

It is also playing at www.filastinakbar.org, which needs an Arabic localization.

-- Bob Doyle, April 16, 2003

> Europeans provide no financial support to the State of Israel

Germany has provided plenty of aid (reparations) to Israel in the recent past, though that may have tapered off lately.

> The surviving descendant's of Germany's 500,000 pre-war Jews > are not going to attempt to return to Berlin.

Perhaps not, but when I was in Berlin last year I was impressed to find out that German law allows any Jew to immigrate to Germany, something many Russian-born Jews seemed to have taken advantage of. http://migration.ucdavis.edu/mn/archive_mn/nov_1997-11mn.html

-- Kai Carver, April 17, 2003

You're missing a couple of key points.

Israel is a democracy. America, especially lately, always attempts to support and preserve democracies, because we feel its in our interest to do so. We were less able to do this during the Cold War, and made some huge blunders in this regard (Iran, Vietnam). There's been a gradual shift in foreign policy since 1990 towards promoting democracy and human rights as a long term goal at the expense of short term goals.. I write about that here.

For a long time, US policy was for the Israelis and Palestinians to live together in harmony. We basically felt that the Israeli and Palestinian economies were too interdependent for them to survive separately. We've finally given up on that. Our current goal is for a separate state for the Palestinians, even if we end up with a "Tel Aviv" wall.

-- Pierce Wetter, April 18, 2003

It is delightful to hear something new about a well-worn topic. There is another reason why many Americans accept Jews more these days. American Jews are very Americanized now, it is getting hard to identify them. I hardly ever see a yarmulke in public. Pervasive intermarriage accentuates this mixing. So, many people think Jews are normal people. This acceptance of Jews rubs off on Israel too. Israelis are just a bunch of Jews living somewhere else. They seem like normal people too.

-- Marc Feldman, April 18, 2003
The Jews of America have declined in number to 5.2 million or less than 2 percent of the population. Politicians like rich people so you'd think that the fact that American Jewish households had a median income of $50,000 per year might give them more clout than the average American household with its $42,000 income (source: National Jewish Population Survey 2000-2001).

These are fairly misleading statistics. First, there is the comparison of average to median--which in a situation where income and wealth is concentrated is tricky. More important, the real influence over the political process comes from the wealthier Americans--note the word _wealthier_ not higher income. According to Morley Sachar's Modern Jewish History, Jews made up about 40% of all millionaires in the United States in the early 60's. The more recent popular book, "The Millionaire Next Door" includes "Russians" and "Poles"--most of whom are religiously Jewish- in the US as among the few large ethnic groups with more Millionaires per capita than the general population--the others are Scots and Dutch(groups that were present in large numbers in the founding of the United States and are included among rural landowners in large numbers).

Now, the situation with political donations is also significant: Democratic fundraisers estimate that at least half of the money donated by individuals -- but excluding labor unions and political action committees -- to the national committees comes from Jewish donors.

According to research by University of Akron political scientist John Green and several colleagues, "Jews accounted for 21 percent of donors to the Democratic presidential primaries in 2000," or at least $13 million out of $62 million raised by Gore and former senator Bill Bradley (N.J.).

Now, what this means in plain terms is that noone is going anywhere in the Democratic party if they substantially alienate Jewish donors.

This situation in the GOP is a little more complicated. The San Jose Mercury News put the figure for individual donations to the GOP from Jews at 20% or so(together the figures are about right for a group that make up a substantial portion of American Millionaires). What is probably more important to the GOP is that the lion's share of Fundamentalist Christians are strongly pro-Israel---and the GOP is extremely dependent upon that group for campaign volenteers.

Another major factor is substantial Jewish involvement in mass media. Suffice it to say that Ted Turner is a mere token. There are enough Jews in positions of power in the media that is rather difficult for anyone to function in the media while maintaining an over anti-Israel position.



-- NoMore H-1b, April 22, 2003

One thing after thinking about it, the attitudes attributed here to all Americans towards Israelis may be more typical of the attitudes of American Jews towards Israelis. What would attitudes towards US Jews be today if there were instead of 5.2 Million Jews in the US(and another number of folks with a Jewish grandparent or two that don't really identify as Jewish like Sen. Kerry from Massachusetts)-there were and additional 7-8 million Jews in the US? Israelis really do have different attitudes from US Jews-they are more militaristic and on the whole more moralistic.

Jews have played a major role in US immigration policy. The leaders British ethnics that founded the US pretty consistently voiced the opinion they wanted to keep the US pretty much as it was-and just didn't quite understand how profoundly immigration would change the ethnic mix of the US. Did Jews really want to see major Jewish immigration to the US immediately after WW II or through 1965(when immigration laws were substantially changed)?

Just FYI, I would personally support significant taxes on imported oil in the US--if this meant equivalent reduction of taxes on lower wage earners. Now, it isn't clear to me that the existing government is capable of accurately asessing "social and environmental costs"(just like Greenpun here can't figure out who really controls wealth in the United States). The US has had economic capacity for energy self-sufficiency for a while. Prior to WW II, the US was enormously innovative in areas like energy and transportation technology-the last few decades, it has lost its nerve--and become the world's largest debtor nation and an industrial weakling.

-- NoMore H-1b, April 22, 2003

Perhaps the tolerant paradise Ahmet Unal writes about existed in some Muslim countries in 1492 or 1917 or 1945. It exists in no Muslim countries today.

-- Robert Teeter, April 22, 2003
Unfortunately, the paper is not complete, and someone only reading this would leave with the idea that the jewish people (and specifically the Isrealites) have done absolutely nothing wrong and have simply been oppressed since the beginning of time.

The entire question of settlements, for instance, has been ignored. Surely Palestinians having their homes bulldozed and then jewish settlements built on top of them has something to do with why Israel is so hated?



-- Karl Low, April 23, 2003

I think Phil's point was that this conflict goes *way* further back than the recent atrocities committed by extremists like Netanyahu and Sharon, and that so does the Palestinian Constitution, which accepts nothing but total destruction of Israel as a goal.

If you had a group of people living on your doorstep with the stated goal of destroying your country, you might or might not do unforgivable things to prevent them from becoming a sovereign nation. But those unforgiveable things are not the problem. (Not that I forgive them)

Recall that before Netanyahu there were peaceful Israeli prime ministers, who in general did *not* make settlements in Gaza and who did *not* send bulldozers. They also offered sovereign land to the Palestinians. Arafat refused all their deals. Palestine did not remove "destruction" from its constitution.

-- Steve R, April 24, 2003

Phil --

I think you've missed the whole cycle of revenge. I'm Irish, so I've seen it up close, in Northern Ireland -- and I hope I'm seeing the end of it, too, these days.

Here's how it works. As one comment said above, it starts with settlement; your family lives in a place for generations, maybe they have a nice house or farm, then some "outsiders" are settled on that land and you're told to leave. You resent this, for obvious reasons, and vow to fight back to regain what was yours. You fight back, they fight back, it escalates, it goes on for years, escalating and calming down periodically in response to external events. This is what happened in South Africa and NI.

Eventually, assuming it's got to the stage it's at in Israel/Palestine, you're at a stage where one side is saying "ethnic group A committed Atrocity A. Never forget!" and the other is saying "ethnic group B committed Atrocity B. Never forget!". There's no cross-community dialogue.

In addition, there's been a whole generation of people who've lived in poverty. Currently, 60% are below the poverty line, and there's 60-65% unemployment in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. It's very easy -- and encouraged by Extremist Group A -- to blame it on ethnic group B.

(Mind you, the current situation where Palestine is not permitted to export goods except via Israel, the number of Palestinians permitted to work in Israel is less than 5% of what it was in 2000, and where the World Bank reckons that some $5 billion of the Palestinian GDP has been wiped out by the recent siege "due to Israeli closure of Palestinian towns and villages and the movement restrictions put on people and goods", does not help at all. I haven't even mentioned the creation of new settlements.)

So given that, you've got a generation of young men who live in poverty, under-educated, with no jobs, who blame ethnic group B (egged on by extremists who gain power due to this). You've also got a generation of children growing up who see nothing else but this life, because there are no jobs, no schools, and nothing but poverty. So they fight back in the only way they know -- the one everyone talks about -- the suicide bomber.

In the meantime, suicide bombings horrify the population of ethnic group B, who seem them as an atrocity (which they are). Their (right-wing militaristic) government vows to "crack down" on the causes of this -- the hotbeds of terrorism, the slums where these bombers are coming from. So they send in the bulldozers, snipers, and tanks. In all this, innocent people get killed. This is then seen by ethnic group A as an atrocity, who want revenge. So it's tit-for-tat atrocities. One breeds the next.

The only way out IMO is to first, get everyone at the same economic level, so nobody's starving in a hole while they look at ethnic group B and saying "they have everything, we have nothing". Then embark on compromise, forgiveness, establishing cross-community bonds, peace-building, and power-sharing. Compromise and forgiveness are the only ways to *remove* the power from the extremists who are driving the whole trouble.

This worked in South Africa, and it's working in NI. It's important to note, too, that in those places the extremist organizations spouted the "liberation" bullshit in their publications, that it was all about homeland, the pope is the Antichrist, etc.; but once power-sharing and peace became possible, the pragmatic, peaceful negotiators could sideline the scary bomb-throwers. There's no reason why the same can't work in Israel/Palestine.

OK, next! The stuff about "it's fundamental religious hatred" is rubbish, frankly. The Palestinians could be Christians and the Israelis Muslims and I really don't think it'd make a difference, apart from in the extremists' "here's why god says you should throw bombs" rhetoric. It's purely community-versus-community. It's convenient that the sides are predominantly of one religion, but I betcha there's Christians on both sides too. Also, take a look at South Africa -- that was a similar struggle, without a religious divide AFAIK.

Next, regarding the US' role and 'why do Muslims hate the US?' -- you say "Ask Joe Foreigner what upsets him most about the U.S. Top on the list is the fact that the U.S. is too interventionist, swaggering cowboy-like with military power into complex international situations. Complaint #2, however, is that the U.S. failed to intervene in a particular situation that is near and dear to Joe's heart. They hate us because we are too interventionist... except when we're not inventionist enough."

That's way too simplistic. The point of those two arguments is that the US will intervene in situations where much of the world thinks it should not (e.g. Venezuela recently), while not intervening (or intervening in the wrong way) in situations where much of the world thinks it should (Israel/Palestine).

I really think the whole 'Muslims want to drive fast cars, that's why they hate the US' argument is totally wrong. More correctly, the muslims are seeing their own ethnic group in Palestine getting beat down by Israel, which receives lots of funding from the US, while the US will not even make the diplomatic noises that Britain (which started the whole mess in the first place ;) does, let alone any idea of intervening. In the meantime the US is happy to invade Iraq. So they see double standards, favouritism, and their own ethnic group coming out worst.

Finally, I really don't know where you're getting this "every other country wants the Jews to go away and live in Israel" thing. I can see no basis for this in the modern world. Perhaps in the first half of the 20th century, when there were millions of Jewish people all leaving due to oppression, and seeking a new home, it was a big issue for other countries; but in the last 20 years I don't think I've ever heard anyone outside the far right, neo-nazi groups say that (in Europe at least).

-- Justin Mason, April 25, 2003

The idea that the USA is assisting Israel because the world needs a dumping place for Jews is rather depressing (specially for me, a Jew). If that is the idea, then Israel IS worth its money, as it keeps Jews busy trying to survive and with no spare time to make fun of academic authorities.

-- Jaim Klein, April 30, 2003
Robert Teeter wrote

The entire question of settlements, for instance, has been ignored. Surely Palestinians having their homes bulldozed and then jewish settlements built on top of them has something to do with why Israel is so hated?

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It is funny, but it looks that no one outside Israel knows that no settlement is built at place of arab village or even arab field.

By Turkish law land belong to one who built house or planted tree there. Israel have precedent law system so the law still works.

In Kiryat Arba near Hevron several arab owned fields divide parts of the city. Most of settlements are built on hilltops because valleys nearby are owned by arabs. In Israel you can still find abandoned arab villages that hold valuable land but can not be taken or built-on.

-- Ilya Davydov, May 11, 2003

Lemma: In the long run profits are maximized in stable, thriving, secure economies inhabited by educated peoples secure in their human rights.

The selfish view towards maximizing profits then prescribes that we implement foreign policies that prefer human rights over crony capitolism. Short term profits may suffer. The Fords, IBMs, IT&Ts, Michelins, Texacos, Shells, Unocals, Haliburtons may suffer and lose market share and even markets to newcomers, but in the long run global profits will be maximized.

And as a nice after thought, we'll have populations of educated citizens, secure in their human rights and democratic processes.

-- jerry asher, May 15, 2003

One commentator mentioned the US religious right but in fact many middle-of-the-road American Christians feel happy knowing that "our" brand of mystics is in possesion of Jerusalem -- American being a Christian nation, and all that. It fits their half-thought-through teleological notions quite well. I can recall my own public gradeschool history teacher telling me that the crusaders had been vindicated by the Ottoman collapse at end of WWI. Religious mysticism has infinite capacity for rationalization -- if Jesus was the King of the Jews, then having Jews in Israel is okay because after all Jews are just Christians "on hold," waiting for the okay to believe that Jesus was the Messiah (as opposed to evil Muslims, who have deliberately bypassed Jesus and proceeded directly from Abraham to that upstart Mohammed). In every case, the groups believe that they are the Chosen People of the invisible sky-guy. As such, no amount of brutality and mayhem is beyond rationalization, because believers are doing it for the sake of imagined issues larger than mere life and death, longer than history, and contemptuous toward the notion of human choice and self-determination.

Literacy? I wonder if David Hume is available in Arabic or Hebrew.

-- Kevin Bjorke, May 15, 2003

Googling for "UN Palestine Israel" brings up this page from the United Nations web site: HISTORY OF THE PALESTINE PROBLEM, which readers may find an illuminating counterpoint to Phil's essay. (Be sure to follow the links to the more in-depth material.)

-- d robinson, June 30, 2003
Philip,

While I always enjoy your texts on the various subjects that we share interest in, I can't help but notice that expertise in one area does not lead to expertise in another.

In this case, your overview of the situation seems to build a narrative based on facts selected by your hunch, and it is not clear your hunch here is as good as in, say, computers or photography. Selection of facts, as you well know, may distort the story, or even may create a story where there is none.

A small example, just an example, is how Egypt made peace with Israel. You say it coincided with the latter acquiring a substantial nuclear arsenal; this seems to be correct. You also say it was caused by the nukes becoming available; this does not seem to be so. Reasons for the peace agreement were more complex; Sadat actually indicated a wish to have peace and diplomatic relations with Israel in the early 1970s, but they had to go through a war before they could get it. His rationale was not based on Israeli WMD. King Hussein of Jordan had been in "secret" cohouts with Israel for many, many years before he formally signed a peace agreement with Israel; nukes did not play any role in this whatsoever.

Oh, and when you say in order to help Israel we need to improve mpg, it's a bit like saying in order to prevent blackouts, we need to use candles. (This analogy is a stretch, and so is the Israel-to-mpg logic in the article.)

Even so, reading your output is always a pleasure, both intellectual and aesthetical. Thank you.

Simon

-- Simon Hawkin, September 20, 2003

Here is what everyone seems to leave out when they discuss the question of "why does the U.S. blindly support Israel?"

The U.S. is a Christian nation, and thus, it cannot escape its Christain/religious duty to protect Israel. More simply, because of the need to fulfill biblical prophecy, Israel has to continue to exist and remain whole, in order for Christ to return.

I know that this type of comment has no place in an academic discussion, but having a degree in political science, and having studied the culture/region, I see no political benefit ( I find your analysis or explanation lacking)for the U.S. to support Israel...The U.S. is merely pushing along biblical prophecy, and performing its Christian duty to protect Israel..."Gods chose people".

S.T.



-- steven Todorovic, August 15, 2005

I read through this article and the comments wondering how long it would take the god botherers to put in an appearance and, sure enough, up they popped. You missed them out of the main article, which is a shame because they are, I'm afraid, very much a part of the problem and no part of the solution. I won't go so far as to say that all religious people are hypocrites or lunatics because I've met enough to know that they are not. On the other hand, anyone who tells you that he knows the truth, and you have to believe him, is certainly one or the other.

Some conditions have no cure, other than time. The middle east conflicts are all too perfect examples of this. There are people of good will on all sides of the conflict but there are also the troublemakers I referred to above, who don't want a solution that doesn't put them personally in a position of power over others. My own prediction is that this mess will grow steadily worse over the next two centuries or however long it takes to industrialise the middle east and create strong middle classes in all the affected territories. Unfortunately, the biggest brake on such progress is an unholy alliance of the rulers and the clergy in these countries, who have a vested interest in maintaining the 30% illiteracy figure you mention in the article. The last thing they want, is an educated majority questioning their actions.

Recent events have shown that the religious loonies have a method to their madness. Hezbolla and their Iranian masters were clearly uncomfortable with the truce between the fledgeling (and largely secular) Lebanese government and Israel. They made a series of attacks on Israel, which were militarily pointless, and succeeded in goading Ehud Olmert into a vicious and equally pointless retaliation. Any good strategist would have predicted Olmert's response, given his shaky position and the narrow majority of the coalition he heads. At the cost of a lot of dead Lebanese (and if there's one thing a god botherer of either brand doesn't worry about, it's another dead body) they succeeded in shifting world public opinion somewhatly more to their side.

-- H P, September 3, 2006

I personally support the nation of Israel,for only through this that I can show my faith to the GOD that bless them so much.Leave Israel alone,from the time the LORD brought them out from the land of Egypt to the land where their GOD promised them, a land flowing with milk and honey, their GOD never leave them..Oh Israel, how long will you be forgetful to your God..oh Israel,remember that pillar of cloud during the day that you will not be walking under the heat of the sun..remember that pillar of fire that you will not be walking under thick darkness and that the sting of serpent in the wilderness will be far from you..remember your God oh Israel.

-- Robert Corpuz, October 15, 2009
ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ The following is a copy of an article written by Spanish writer Sebastian Vilar Rodriguez and published in a Spanish newspaper on Jan. 15, 2008. It doesn't take much imagination to extrapolate the message to the rest of Europe - and possibly to the rest of the world. REMEMBER AS YOU READ -- IT WAS IN A SPANISH PAPER Date: Tue. 15 January 2008 14:30 ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez I walked down the street in Barcelona , and suddenly discovered a terrible truth - Europe died in Auschwitz .. We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world. The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people we burned. And under the pretence of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride. They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime. Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts. And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition. We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs. What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe .. The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes: Literature: 1988 - Najib Mahfooz Peace: 1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat 1990 - Elias James Corey 1994 - Yaser Arafat: 1999 - Ahmed Zewai Economics: (zero) Physics: (zero) Medicine: 1960 - Peter Brian Medawar 1998 - Ferid Mourad TOTAL: 7 SEVEN The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that is FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes: Literature: 1910 - Paul Heyse 1927 - Henri Bergson 1958 - Boris Pasternak 1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon 1966 - Nelly Sachs 1976 - Saul Bellow 1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer 1981 - Elias Canetti 1987 - Joseph Brodsky 1991 - Nadine Gordimer World Peace: 1911 - Alfred Fried 1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser 1968 - Rene Cassin 1973 - Henry Kissinger 1978 - Menachem Begin 1986 - Elie Wiesel 1994 - Shimon Peres 1994 - Yitzhak Rabin Physics: 1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer 1906 - Henri Moissan 1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson 1908 - Gabriel Lippmann 1910 - Otto Wallach 1915 - Richard Willstaetter 1918 - Fritz Haber 1921 - Albert Einstein 1922 - Niels Bohr 1925 - James Franck 1925 - Gustav Hertz 1943 - Gustav Stern 1943 - George Charles de Hevesy 1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi 1952 - Felix Bloch 1954 - Max Born 1958 - Igor Tamm 1959 - Emilio Segre 1960 - Donald A. Glaser 1961 - Robert Hofstadter 1961 - Melvin Calvin 1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau 1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz 1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman 1965 - Julian Schwinger 1969 - Murray Gell-Mann 1971 - Dennis Gabor 1972 - William Howard Stein 1973 - Brian David Josephson 1975 - Benjamin Mottleson 1976 - Burton Richter 1977 - Ilya Prigogine 1978 - Arno Allan Penzias 1978 - Peter L Kapitza 1979 - Stephen Weinberg 1979 - Sheldon Glashow 1979 - Herbert Charles Brown 1980 - Paul Berg 1980 - Walter Gilbert 1981 - Roald Hoffmann 1982 - Aaron Klug 1985 - Albert A. Hauptman 1985 - Jerome Karle 1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach 1988 - Robert Huber 1988 - Leon Lederman 1988 - Melvin Schwartz 1988 - Jack Steinberger 1989 - Sidney Altman 1990 - Jerome Friedman 1992 - Rudolph Marcus 1995 - Martin Perl 2000 - Alan J. Heeger Economics: 1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson 1971 - Simon Kuznets 1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow 1975 - Leonid Kantorovich 1976 - Milton Friedman 1978 - Herbert A. Simon 1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein 1985 - Franco Modigliani 1987 - Robert M. Solow 1990 - Harry Markowitz 1990 - Merton Miller 1992 - Gary Becker 1993 - Robert Fogel Medicine: 1908 - Elie Metchnikoff 1908 - Paul Erlich 1914 - Robert Barany 1922 - Otto Meyerhof 1930 - Karl Landsteiner 1931 - Otto Warburg 1936 - Otto Loewi 1944 - Joseph Erlanger 1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser 1945 - Ernst Boris Chain 1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller 1950 - Tadeus Reichstein 1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman 1953 - Hans Krebs 1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann 1958 - Joshua Lederberg 1959 - Arthur Kornberg 1964 - Konrad Bloch 1965 - Francois Jacob 1965 - Andre Lwoff 1967 - George Wald 1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg 1969 - Salvador Luria 1970 - Julius Axelrod 1970 - Sir Bernard Katz 1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman 1975 - Howard Martin Temin 1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg 1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow 1978 - Daniel Nathans 1980 - Baruj Benacerraf 1984 - Cesar Milstein 1985 - Michael Stuart Brown 1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein 1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini] 1988 - Gertrude Elion 1989 - Harold Varmus 1991 - Erwin Neher 1991 - Bert Sakmann 1993 - Richard J. Roberts 1993 - Phillip Sharp 1994 - Alfred Gilman 1995 - Edward B. Lewis 1996- Lu RoseIacovino TOTAL: 129! The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims. The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants. There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church. There is NOT a single Jew who protests by killing people. The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels. Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems. Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them. Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say it all: 'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel ." Benjamin Netanyahu General Eisenhower Warned Us. It is a matter of history that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead. He did this because he said in words to this effect: 'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened' Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offends' the Muslim population which claims it never occurred. It is not removed as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it. It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the, 6 million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians, and 1,900 Catholic priests who were 'murdered, raped, burned, starved, beaten, experimented on and humiliated' while the German people looked the other way. Now, more than ever, with Iran , among others, claiming the Holocaust to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets. This e-mail is intended to reach 400 million people. Be a link in the memorial chain and help distribute this around the world. How many years will it be before the attack on the World Trade Center 'NEVER HAPPENED' because it offends some Muslim in the United States ?

-- bryan dill, April 10, 2011
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