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The wonderful Illustrator V Freehand argument. When I first picked up freehand I learned the program in a day and never used Illustrator again. I also never used Quark express again either. WHY? why should I use 2 programs and jump from one to the other when I can just do it in one program. Freehand 8 in my opinion can do 99% of what quark does and 99% of what illustrator does..but Quark can only do 80 percent of what Freehand does and Illustrator 90%. Alot of people do not know that Freehand is equal to if not more powerful then quark in text features..bascially if Illustrator and quark had a kid it would be freehand. And if your designing for the web macromedia products are the ones to use. Check out both Adobe's and Macromedia's websites..expecially Shocwave.com..and you will go hmm Adobe has some catching up to do..haha