{"id":11020,"date":"2016-04-06T12:42:01","date_gmt":"2016-04-06T16:42:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/?p=11020"},"modified":"2016-04-06T12:42:01","modified_gmt":"2016-04-06T16:42:01","slug":"icon-a5-limps-into-production-surrounded-by-a-phalanx-of-lawyers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/2016\/04\/06\/icon-a5-limps-into-production-surrounded-by-a-phalanx-of-lawyers\/","title":{"rendered":"Icon A5 limps into production surrounded by a phalanx of lawyers"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>In the department of &#8220;Why you don&#8217;t want to invest in a U.S. aviation company,&#8221; back in 2010 I wrote up <a href=\"http:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/flying\/icon-a5-seaplane\">a review of the Icon A5 amphibious seaplane<\/a> that the company promised to ship in 2011. They made a lot of noise in July 2015 about delivering the first production unit, but have been quiet since then. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.aopa.org\/News-and-Video\/All-News\/2016\/March\/31\/Icon-gambit?WT.mc_id=160401epilot&amp;WT.mc_sect=tts\">This AOPA article<\/a> indicates that real production won&#8217;t begin until some time later in 2016.<\/p>\n<p>Back in 2010 I wrote<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>It is not hard to see who would want to buy a fun toy like the ICON A5, but one has to wonder who funds a company like this. Suppose that ICON sells al 500 airplanes and collects $200,000 in revenue from each customer. That&#8217;s $100 million. Suppose that two percent of those 500 aircraft are involved in fatal crashes in which a jury finds ICON liable, either for telling unlicensed pilots that they could learn how to fly an amphib in 20+ hours or for not including a gear-down-in-water warning system. That&#8217;s 10 crashes. Suppose that each crash costs $10 million. One hundred percent of the company&#8217;s revenue has thus been paid out in legal awards.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>It appears that the company has been thinking along similar lines. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.aopa.org\/News-and-Video\/All-News\/2016\/March\/31\/Icon-gambit?WT.mc_id=160401epilot&amp;WT.mc_sect=tts\">The AOPA article<\/a> describes extraordinary efforts by the company to limit its liability through 41 pages of legalese that have been sprung on formerly unaware customers. The company imposes a transfer fee on anyone who tries to sell an airplane, restricts training and maintenance options (the owner of an FAA-certified aircraft actually would end up with far more flexibility), and gives itself the right to repurchase aircraft in case an owner has the opportunity to sell one at a profit. The company has imposed a 6000-hour, 30-year airframe life, which is kind of odd considering that composite aircraft aren&#8217;t subject to metal fatigue and this plane is not pressurized, which is the typical reason for having an airframe life (e.g., the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/SOCATA_TBM\">TBM<\/a> has a 12,000-cycle or 16,200-hour life limit).<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s one comment:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I just refused the proposed contract. Asked for a refund of my deposit. I have signed nothing with Icon; yet they first refused to return all of my deposit, then agreed to refund the whole deposit in about 6 weeks IF I agreed to another lengthy document regarding my rights. I have refused to sign anything this company conjures up. We will see how long it takes them to return my money. I am extremely disappointed.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Related:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Now that Icon has cranked up its prices, what you can buy for about the same\u00a0money: <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Grumman_G-44_Widgeon\">Grumman G-44 Widgeon<\/a>\u00a0(Alaska-ready five-seat twin-engine IFR-certified amphib), available on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.controller.com\/listings\/aircraft\/for-sale\/list\/?Mdltxt=G44+WIDGEON&amp;mdlx=contains&amp;Manu=GRUMMAN%2cGRUMMAN%2fAMERICAN+GENERAL&amp;FullText=grumman+widgeon&amp;byp=1\">Controller <\/a>right now for $200,000 to $325,000<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In the department of &#8220;Why you don&#8217;t want to invest in a U.S. aviation company,&#8221; back in 2010 I wrote up a review of the Icon A5 amphibious [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-11020","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.8 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Icon A5 limps into production surrounded by a phalanx of lawyers - Philip Greenspun\u2019s Weblog<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/2016\/04\/06\/icon-a5-limps-into-production-surrounded-by-a-phalanx-of-lawyers\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Icon A5 limps into production surrounded by a phalanx of lawyers - Philip Greenspun\u2019s Weblog\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"In the department of &#8220;Why you don&#8217;t want to invest in a U.S. aviation company,&#8221; 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