{"id":25130,"date":"2019-12-21T12:56:09","date_gmt":"2019-12-21T17:56:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/?p=25130"},"modified":"2019-12-21T17:42:13","modified_gmt":"2019-12-21T22:42:13","slug":"criticism-of-china-about-uyghurs-will-lead-to-bhutan-style-deportation","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/2019\/12\/21\/criticism-of-china-about-uyghurs-will-lead-to-bhutan-style-deportation\/","title":{"rendered":"Criticism of China about Uyghurs will lead to Bhutan-style deportation?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>A bleak thought for the first day of winter&#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Whenever I posted a photo of some amazing new piece of Chinese infrastructure, e.g., the Suzhou metro or part of the 24,000-mile <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/ix5ZniEqbXg\">high-speed rail<\/a> system (California will catch up soon!), American friends would predictably respond with a complaint about the Chinese government&#8217;s treatment of the Uyghurs in response to <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Terrorism_in_China#Xinjiang\">an ongoing conflict<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(My American Facebook friends who&#8217;ve never been to China throw rocks at the sheep-like Chinese for following the party line, but they respond to virtually any mention of China in nearly identical and predictable ways: (a) point out that the government there is &#8220;authoritarian&#8221;; (b) &#8220;what about the Uyghurs?&#8221;; (c) &#8220;what about Hong Kong?&#8221;)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The same friends who criticize China regularly celebrate Bhutan, virtuously carbon negative (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnn.com\/2018\/10\/11\/asia\/bhutan-carbon-negative\/index.html\">CNN<\/a>) and using the correct yardstick (&#8220;meterstick&#8221;) of <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Gross_National_Happiness\">Gross National Happiness<\/a>. That <a href=\"https:\/\/thediplomat.com\/2016\/09\/bhutans-dark-secret-the-lhotshampa-expulsion\/\">Bhutan deported one sixth of its population<\/a> in the 1990s is apparently forgotten or not relevant.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Muslims are only 1.8 percent of China&#8217;s population (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.cia.gov\/library\/publications\/the-world-factbook\/geos\/ch.html\">CIA<\/a>). The Chinese government could reasonably infer that if the Bhutanese can be warmly appreciated by the global righteous after expelling a minority religious group that was 16-30 percent of its population (estimates vary), instead of continuing this draining fight it would make more sense to pay nearby Muslim-majority countries to take them and\/or have an India-Pakistan-style split in which part of western China was given away.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In other words, could Western say-gooders concentrating on this theme actually end up harming the Uyghurs whom they purport to be helping?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(Separately, we are informed by our media that 1-1.5 million people are being detained in camps (example below). Ghoulish tech question: wouldn&#8217;t camps big enough to house this many people be easy to spot via satellite imagery? The <a href=\"https:\/\/srbpodcast.org\/2013\/05\/11\/us-prison-industrial-complex-versus-the-stalinist-gulag\/\">U.S. prison gulag<\/a> is easily spotted from space. It is easy to find articles (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/international\/archive\/2018\/09\/china-internment-camps-muslim-uighurs-satellite\/569878\/\">example<\/a>; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/resources\/idt-sh\/China_hidden_camps\">example 2<\/a>) showing one or two camps, but not a comprehensive census. In the age of satellite imagery, why are the purported Chinese concentration camps the subject of speculation?)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Related:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/article\/us-china-xinjiang-rights\/15-million-muslims-could-be-detained-in-chinas-xinjiang-academic-idUSKCN1QU2MQ\">&#8220;1.5 million Muslims could be detained in China&#8217;s Xinjiang: academic&#8221;<\/a> (Reuters): A leading researcher on China\u2019s ethnic policies said on Wednesday that an estimated 1.5 million Uighurs and other Muslims could be held in so-called re-education centers in Xinjiang region, up from his earlier figure of 1 million. &#8230; \u201cAlthough it is speculative it seems appropriate to estimate that up to 1.5 million ethnic minorities &#8211; equivalent to just under 1 in 6 adult members of a predominantly Muslim minority group in Xinjiang &#8211; are or have been interned in any of these detention, internment and re-education facilities, excluding formal prisons,\u201d Zenz said at an event organized by the U.S. mission in Geneva, home of United Nations human rights bodies.<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/United_States_incarceration_rate\">U.S. incarceration rate<\/a> (we are, sadly, #1)<\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A bleak thought for the first day of winter&#8230; Whenever I posted a photo of some amazing new piece of Chinese infrastructure, e.g., the Suzhou metro or part [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[57],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-25130","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-china"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.2 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Criticism of China about Uyghurs will lead to Bhutan-style deportation? 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