{"id":26634,"date":"2020-04-17T17:19:57","date_gmt":"2020-04-17T21:19:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/?p=26634"},"modified":"2020-05-04T22:09:41","modified_gmt":"2020-05-05T02:09:41","slug":"swedes-persist-in-refusing-to-overwhelm-icu-capacity-massachusetts-has-a-higher-overall-death-rate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/2020\/04\/17\/swedes-persist-in-refusing-to-overwhelm-icu-capacity-massachusetts-has-a-higher-overall-death-rate\/","title":{"rendered":"Swedes #persist in refusing to overwhelm ICU capacity (Massachusetts has a higher overall death rate)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Today&#8217;s numbers are out. From <a href=\"https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/2020\/03\/26\/number-of-new-covid-19-cases-worldwide-is-declining-now\/\">my big tracking post<\/a>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\"><p>4\/17 comment: Sweden at 613 cases\/130 deaths; Denmark at 321\/12; Massachusetts at 2,221\/159. It is getting tougher to argue that the Danish shutdown was&nbsp;<em>ineffective&nbsp;<\/em>(but maybe Denmark will suffer its infections starting in a few weeks; kids in Denmark went back to school on Wednesday). And it is getting tougher to argue that the Massachusetts shutdown was&nbsp;<em>effective<\/em>&nbsp;(but maybe we won\u2019t have a second wave since we were so incompetent at slowing down the first wave?). Sweden has had 1,333 total deaths without shutting down. Massachusetts shut down and has had 1,404 deaths (1.5X the rate).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>American journalists and the Facebook righteous are sure that, just as it was in March, disaster is just around the corner for Sweden. The hospitals will be overwhelmed. People who could be trivially saved with a <a href=\"https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/2020\/04\/02\/why-the-u-s-is-out-of-ventilators-and-why-it-might-not-matter\/\">ventilator<\/a> will drop dead in the street. (Example from <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NateSilver538\/status\/1251240463115395075\">fivethirtyeight.com hero Nate Silver<\/a>.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How is that going? The Swedes make their hospital situation public: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.icuregswe.org\/en\/data--results\/covid-19-in-swedish-intensive-care\/\">https:\/\/www.icuregswe.org\/en\/data&#8211;results\/covid-19-in-swedish-intensive-care\/<\/a>. It looks as though they have roughly 500 people in the ICU, up from 450 on April 8:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/image-9.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/image-9.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-26635\" width=\"424\" height=\"418\" srcset=\"https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/image-9.png 874w, https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/image-9-300x296.png 300w, https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/image-9-768x758.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 424px) 100vw, 424px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>About 50 COVID-19 patients go into the ICU every day, but, if we interpreted the above chart correctly, nearly 50 are also coming out (unfortunately quite a few will be dead when they emerge, since there is no cure for COVID-19).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/image-10.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/image-10.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-26636\" width=\"434\" height=\"413\" srcset=\"https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/image-10.png 880w, https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/image-10-300x286.png 300w, https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/04\/image-10-768x731.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 434px) 100vw, 434px\" \/><\/a><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>How do Americans maintain their faith in the face of these data. And in the refusal of God to smite the Swedes with a full ICU or a higher-than-Massachusetts death rate? One professor (of computer science, not epidemiology) simply asserted his sincerely held belief that Sweden would suffer an explosion of disease and ICU demand in the next week. Therefore, we had obviously saved lives by shutting down. Couldn&#8217;t Massachusetts have saved a lot more lives by continuing to operate our economy, maybe with a few more COVID-19 patients that had to be shuffled to a mostly-empty hospital, and sending the extra few $billion of wealth created (by the open economy) to Africa for clean water projects? No! Without a shutdown, the death toll in Massachusetts would have been staggering.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Related:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a href=\"https:\/\/unherd.com\/thepost\/coming-up-epidemiologist-prof-johan-giesecke-shares-lessons-from-sweden\/\">An interesting video<\/a> (thanks, Mattias!). Sweden has at least a second infidel who rejects the Religion of Shutdown, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.who.int\/emergencies\/diseases\/strategic-and-technical-advisory-group-for-infectious-hazards\/members\/biographies\/en\/index2.html\">Professor Dr. Johan Giesecke<\/a>, an infectious disease doc who had the State Epidemiologist job before <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Anders_Tegnell\">Anders Tegnell<\/a> (MD\/PhD\/infidel); WHO web site: &#8220;From 2005 to 2014 he was the first Chief Scientist of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC).&#8221; (i.e., he will be considered &#8220;not an expert&#8221; by the New York Times). In <a href=\"https:\/\/unherd.com\/thepost\/coming-up-epidemiologist-prof-johan-giesecke-shares-lessons-from-sweden\/\">the video<\/a> he says that the various policies adopted by the various western governments won&#8217;t have a significant effect on the final death toll. (His best guess is that COVID-19 will prove to be comparable to a severe flu season and kill in the neighborhood of 0.1% of the population. But he is not primarily in the prophecy business, so his larger message is that we won&#8217;t be able control what the virus does.)<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/2020\/04\/14\/swedes-persist-in-refusing-to-die-from-covid-19\/\">https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/2020\/04\/14\/swedes-persist-in-refusing-to-die-from-covid-19\/<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/2020\/04\/12\/everything-the-gleeful-journalists-said-would-happen-to-sweden-has-happened-to-massachusetts\/\">https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/2020\/04\/12\/everything-the-gleeful-journalists-said-would-happen-to-sweden-has-happened-to-massachusetts\/<\/a><\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/2020\/03\/28\/why-arent-a-ton-of-swedes-on-their-way-to-being-dead\/\">https:\/\/philip.greenspun.com\/blog\/2020\/03\/28\/why-arent-a-ton-of-swedes-on-their-way-to-being-dead\/<\/a><\/li><\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Today&#8217;s numbers are out. From my big tracking post: 4\/17 comment: Sweden at 613 cases\/130 deaths; Denmark at 321\/12; Massachusetts at 2,221\/159. 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