“Women Said to Accuse Times Editor Who Resigned of Inappropriate Behavior” (NYT):
Wendell Jamieson, the metro editor whose resignation was announced by The New York Times on Monday after an internal investigation, was accused of inappropriate behavior by at least three female employees, according to two people familiar with the investigation.
The people said at least two women at The Times had alleged that Mr. Jamieson engaged in inappropriate communication.
After stepping down from his post, which he had held since 2013, he was replaced in an interim capacity by Susan Chira, a senior correspondent and an editor covering gender issues.
Mr. Jamieson, 51, joined The Times in 2000 after working for Newsday, The Daily News and The New York Post.
The short story is that this 51-year-old guy probably won’t be working in an office again. Could he be trained to do a job where nobody will care about his personal characteristics? Why not HVAC technician? After about a year of inexpensive training he can be earning $50,000+ per year. At least in Boston, HVAC technicians are in high demand and nobody who is without heat or A/C is going to ask too many questions about the “wokeness” of the tech who shows up to get things working again. Also, HVAC technicians, like our local cable installers, seem to be all-male so there wouldn’t be a lot of temptation back at the shop.
For the “prime age” males who are being discarded from the cushy office jobs after accusations, what other jobs could they take that would provide a decent income?
Related:
- “New York Times Apologizes For Much-Ridiculed Story About Fathers” (HuffPost), a story approved by the reprobate that “seemed to reinforce three old-fashioned tropes about gender and parenting” (maybe the newly unemployed Mr. Jamieson can now take care of children as a “manny”?)
My idea for these guys is a Big Brother style reality show where they all live in a big house and do to eachother what they are accused of doing to various women/boys. Louis CK masturbates onto his stomach while Charlie Rose watches. Charlie Rose parades naked in front of Harvey Weinstein. Weinstein masturbates onto Kevin Spacey’s potted plants.
That’s brilliant, Karen! They could probably get paid more for this than HVAC tech and therefore would pay more in taxes. But I do fear that there isn’t a huge market for the guys such as Mr. Jamieson who weren’t previously in the news or on TV. The deeper question is which companies will want to advertise on this show!
That is an interesting idea for a show and it would have a certain freak value, kind of like watching the Kardashians, but it does not sound like a show that could have more than a few episodes since the plot sounds a bit thin and I don’t know if there is much of an audience for watching old men masturbate — I guess if there were these guys wouldn’t have gotten in trouble to begin with. Sounds like, how shall I put it, a product for exotic tastes.
No market for watching gross celebrity weirdos harass eachother? Clearly somebody hasnt been keeping up with the latest seasons of The Surreal Life! 😉
Why would installing HVAC equipment be demeaning? If Philip Glass could install dishwashers as his day job, so can he:
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2018/03/the-day-job.html
Fazal: Who said that HVAC tech was a “demeaning” job? I hope that the average HVAC tech would feel substantial pride in his work. (I say “his” because I have never met a female HVAC technician)
What about supplementing Karen’s great idea by having them perform wacky stunts? Ever seen Jackass? So after jerking off on Kev’s plants, Harvey fills his undies with meat, then has to rope crawl above a pond filled with gators. The JA guys were young and fit. Obviously Harvey is an old fat f%^k, so I think it would be even funnier, watching him struggle. I would watch it, but then I’m a big fan of Jackass.
Karen’s idea could be broadened a little. It seems safe to assume that these guys are going to be shunned by existing media outlets. Mr. Jamieson is not going to be hired by another legacy newspaper, for example. And the virtuous folks at Facebook or Google would presumably block any attempts for these men to get a message out to a wide audience. But maybe they can get a server going in a free-speech-oriented country and map it to MeTooed.com. They can produce content that, while shunned by 90 percent of Americans, will have a lot of value to a niche market of diehard fans, #MeToo doubters, etc. Perhaps there will be some bottom-feeding advertisers who won’t mind being associated with these disgraced guys. Or they can charge a subscription fee. Presumably they won’t be able to sustain their former lifestyles, but maybe they can earn more than an HVAC tech?
What exactly is “inappropriate behavior” and “inappropriate communication” and who decides?
I’d suggest they become plumbers or (perhaps lower-paid) plasterers, though maybe not in Jordan:
http://www.bbc.com/capital/gallery/20180501-in-jordan-female-plumbers-fighting-a-water-crisis
“In the UK, for examples, fewer than 6% of all trade workers including plumbers and plasterers are women.”
And when can they come back to their original jobs?:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/28/six-months-metoo-how-soon-guys-come-back-hadley-freeman
Need I say it? Learn to code!
Tom: I don’t think that coding can be the answer. Most programmers work in bureaucracies in which failure to accept and adopt the latest dogma is unacceptable (see http://philip.greenspun.com/blog/2017/08/07/casting-out-the-heretic-at-google/ for example). Also, a typical programmer’s career ends by the mid-50s (oftentimes much earlier!), just at the point where these guys are getting expelled from the workforce. I don’t see an employer being enthusiastic about a 53-year-old who has retrained as a programmer and about whom a Google search reveals damaging information.
An HVAC guy job requires at least some basic mechanical aptitude plus some basic diagnostic skills, the better HVAC techs are actually very smart, this is part of the reason that, unlike cutting grass, you can’t just buy a truck and start installing HVAC systems. Yes there is licensing for handling refrigerants, but that testing is pretty basic if you can grasp the concepts. “Metro editors” don’t impress me as the type to have these types of skills. These positions do need people to carry the equipment and attach pipes and ducts to buildings, but even these jobs, routing pipes and installing duct work, require skills that many people don’t have. Moral of the story, don’t treat co-workers/employees as your personal harem, especially when you have a limited skill set.
The problem is that from about 51 your knees start to slowly, or not so slowly, go out. And your back. Beginning a physical job after decades in a desk job would be brutal.
He’d also have to have the capital to start his own business and the contacts and marketing smarts to get it off the ground, or he’d have to take orders and BS from someone he probably considers his social inferior.
PaulS: “Moral of the story, don’t treat co-workers/employees as your personal harem, especially when you have a limited skill set.”
He’s learned this moral now, and his former job can be done by a young person who is steeped in the new morality and/or someone of any age who identifies as a woman (generally immune to #MeToo accusations), but that still leaves the question of “What next?” for this particular 51-year-old.
Frank: “he’d have to take orders and BS from someone he probably considers his social inferior”
Don’t 98 percent of Americans who work in bureaucracies think that they are taking orders from at least one manager whom they consider to be inferior to them in at least some way?
Men with the first name “Wendell” generally don’t do well working with their hands; that and the guys on the job site would take his lunch money.
Anyway, if Wendell was smarter, he would have taken his hometown’s firefighter exam at age 20 like I did, and be retired at age 45 on an annual $60K (and growing) lifetime pension like I am.
Go to coding boot camp and make $85K to start! LOL!
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/17/opinion/computer-science-boot-camp.html
NYT, 04/17/18 – A High-Paying Job? Go to App Boot Camp.
College students who want high-paying, interesting jobs should choose a major in one of the STEM fields — science, tech, engineering and math. So says the conventional wisdom.
But that advice is somewhat misleading. STEM jobs are concentrated in one area: over the next six years, nearly 60 percent will be in computer science. Those jobs are increasing at three times the overall rate of job creation…
Those good jobs, however, go primarily to men. “Women make up the majority of college grads and nearly the majority of family breadwinners,” said Reshma Saujani, the founder and chief executive of Girls Who Code. “But less than 25 percent of the computing workforce is women.” And the gender gap in tech is getting worse. As for minority women, Latinas hold 1 percent of all computing jobs and black women hold 3 percent…
Access Code, a 10-month boot camp run by an organization called C4Q (formerly Coalition for Queens), which was designed to do exactly that. It offers a day or a nights-and-weekends program…By June, the five-year-old program will have 483 graduates, all previously low-income. Half are female, half lack a college degree. Sixty percent are black or Latino, and 40 percent are immigrants.
Instead of demanding traditional credentials, the program evaluates applicants as they solve logic puzzles and spend two days learning basic coding. One in 10 is accepted. C4Q says that upon entering, those students are earning an average of $18,000 a year, but when they graduate and find work in software engineering —which almost all do — they make an average of $85,000…
The “bro” culture in many companies perpetuates itself…More diversity among developers should mean more diversity in products. Affluent bros create apps for affluent bros: Bring me beer and burritos! Clean my apartment! Walk my dog!
“It’s only natural that we create things that reflect on some part of us,” said Ms. Buchanan. Her app at Access Code mapped reports of sexual harassment. “We want more people working on these problems,” she said. “And for me, those problems don’t include having pizza delivered to my house.”
Mr. Affluent: That’s a perfect illustration of sample bias! Thanks. The camp accepts only the top 10% of the applicants so of course they end up being fairly capable people. Harvard works the same angle. They accept young people with 1600 SAT scores and then, behold, their graduates have pretty successful careers.