SpaceX is worth $63/share according to the most expert experts

How’s SpaceX doing on its second trading day? The most expert experts on stocks in the United States work at Morningstar. They value the company at $63/share and say that if everything went perfect, it could be worth $154. From last week:

We value SpaceX SPCX at $63 per share, a 53% discount to the upcoming IPO’s offering price. Our valuation is the result of mathematics more than skepticism. With such a wide range of possible outcomes for the company’s financial future, we created forecasts and valuations for three scenarios and probability-weighted them.

Even at $63 per share, we give SpaceX a lot of benefit of the doubt in two of the three scenarios, in which we assume the company can achieve a rapidly reusable Starship rocket enabling multiple launches per week and successfully commercialize data centers in space. Neither of these engineering problems has been solved, and we don’t expect them to be until at least 2028.

In our most optimistic “moonshot” scenario, the company would be worth $1.97 trillion, or $154 a share. That’s 14% above the offering price and a level the shares might even reach in the short term after their public launch, given widespread investor enthusiasm about SpaceX, artificial intelligence infrastructure, and the IPO. However, we assign this scenario, in which both Starship is reusable and scaled orbital data centers are highly successful, a 7% chance of happening, which is one reason our final fair value estimate of $63 is much lower than $154.

We could try to figure out how accurate Morningstar was with Tesla when Tesla was the same size ($19 billion/year in revenue) as SpaceX is now. That takes us back to 2018. Tesla stock was at $20/share vs. $400 now (adjusted for 15:1 in splits, but not for Bidenflation). ChatGPT:

Morningstar was not recommending Tesla as a buy in 2018. In ordinary buy/hold/sell language, their view was closer to sell/avoid for much of the year, or at least don’t buy at the market price. … Morningstar’s 2018 stance was “don’t buy”; in buy/hold/sell terms, it was closer to “sell” than “hold,” especially around the August 2018 $420 buyout episode.

(Keep in mind that $420 pre-splits was a $28/share offer in terms of today’s shares.)

Democrats such as Bernie Sanders who are envious that Elon Musk is a trillionaire now have a Science-based way to catch up. They say that expert advice should be followed without question, e.g., if an expert-crafted response to a virus killing Americans at a median age of 82 is to close schools for 8-year-olds for 18 months. A leveraged bet that SpaceX stock will fall to the Morningstar-estimated value could make at least $billions if not $trillions in profit.

Loosely related…

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Sonos, eight years after the IPO

Readers are likely aware of my fondness for whole-house audio and, since 2005, Sonos, a company that has roots in Santa Barbara, CA and Boston, MA. The company went public at $15 per share almost exactly eight years ago. How’s the stock done? If you don’t adjust for inflation, it’s right at its original IPO price (down from the first-day bump, though). Adjusted at official CPI, though, someone who got IPO shares is down 25 percent. Adjusted for South Florida real estate costs, the investor is down about 50 percent.

Given that state governors ordered peasants to stay home for 2-3 years in a lot of high-income states, how do we account for a home audio company having done this badly? Sony has doubled, in nominal dollars, over the same period. Consumers don’t care about multi-room audio because they always have their AirPods in and the sound thus follows them?

Did Sonos fail to jump on the social justice bandwagon or ignore Is LGBTQIA the most popular social justice cause because it does not require giving money? Certainly not!

Sonos in June 2020:

In celebration of global Pride the Internet radio service introduced a limited-edition station, initiated by a group of LGBTQ+ employees.

Dmitri Siegel, VP Global Brand, extended his support becoming Pride@’s official executive sponsor. “I am so grateful to have the opportunity to be an ally in the Pride@ group,” he said. “As a straight white male, it’s common to feel intimidated or uncomfortable engaging on LGBTQ+ issues because you feel like you are going to say the wrong thing or be offensive in some way. Being a part of Pride@ has given me the opportunity to do my work—listen and learn. Getting over insecurity and discomfort unlocks all these amazing people and a whole aspect of the human experience that I would otherwise miss out on.”

The article references a corporate tweet:

The station was still up and running a year ago:

How about this month? The radio web site features state-sponsored NPR and Democratic Party-affiliated MSNBC, but I didn’t see anything about Pride.

Sonos Radio has an Instagram account. No Pride station is mentioned. (The “Full Spectrum; Celebrate Child” station is still available in the app, however.)

Sonos has an X account(!), but hasn’t posted anything for Pride 2026. Nor did they post anything regarding Pride on their (rather thin) Facebook account. Their careers page assures today’s young people that working life can be a continuous Pride celebration:

It looks as though the company has abandoned its commitment to proselytizing for Rainbow Flagism to consumers, reminding consumers that Black history is more important than other kinds of history, etc. In other words, Sonos has abandoned its principles and still can’t make money, the worst of all possible worlds for a corporation.

I still love the product, even if their lightweight powered speakers can’t overcome the laws of physics (see below regarding the latest Sonos S2 gear versus their old amps driving heavier passive (ancient) speakers). They also have great support compared to most companies. I’m wondering what they could make that would be profitable in an Apple-takes-all world.

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Who has already flipped his/her/zir/their SpaceX shares?

After about 15 minutes of trading, 155 million SpaceX shares had already traded. The total size of the IPO was roughly 555 million shares (plus the underwriters have the option of buying another 83 million). I don’t think that the pre-IPO investors have the ability to sell their shares yet, a lockup period being conventional. Are people truly flipping their shares for a 20% profit within 15 minutes? (10% profit after paying short-term capital gains tax to Graham Platner.)

The total shares sold:

Speaking of Graham Platner…

Update: After one hour of trading, 272 million shares had been bought/sold on the exchange. Price is up to $168 without dramatic swings, suggesting some stabilization action by the underwriters?

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I am buying a lot of SpaceX stock; what will it be worth?

As an index fund investor, I used to (indirectly) buy stocks that had been public for a while and only of companies that made a profit. The rules have apparently been tossed so now I will be a(n indirect) SpaceX shareholder. NYT:

Nasdaq, the exchange where SpaceX plans to list its stock, announced a rule change in May to allow “fast entry” into the Nasdaq-100 index by large private companies like SpaceX that go public.

Others followed. FTSE Russell recently altered its methodology, which will result in listing SpaceX in its indexes within a week of its going public.

The changes mean a large swath of index funds — which millions of Americans own in their retirement funds, pension plans and personal portfolios — are poised to hold SpaceX shares soon after the company goes public. Anthropic and OpenAI, the artificial intelligence start-ups that are planning to go public this year, would also land in index funds quickly, potentially exposing everyday investors to more financial risk whether they like it or not.

“It’s historically unprecedented,” said John Polonis, a former Wall Street lawyer who worked at J.P. Morgan and now offers financial analysis on social media. “You can try to reorient your retirement accounts to avoid funds invested in A.I. companies, but most people aren’t going to be doing that. They’re kind of left out in the dust here.”

Is there any integrity left on Wall Street?

One index provider has declined to budge. On Thursday, Standard & Poor’s said it would not change its criteria for inclusion in the S&P 500, one of the most-followed indexes, meaning SpaceX will not be eligible for inclusion until at least mid-2027. Standard & Poor’s said it had determined that exceptions to its rules “should not be granted solely based on market capitalization.”

What’s the long-term value estimate for this company? Humans cluster in metro areas, thus making fiber Internet and cell towers better than Starlink for most of us. ChatGPT: “roughly 75–85% of people worldwide who have at least a global middle-class/consumer-class standard of living live in urban, suburban, or peri-urban areas. I’d use 80% as the best single-number answer.”

SpaceX has the best rocket tech, but unless you’re Iran and want to kill infidels worldwide how many rockets do you need? Maybe the answer is military use of space rather than sending up packages that will rain down on the enemies of the righteous? But military equipment for use in space is incredibly expensive and takes forever to develop and build. Does a cheaper launch capability matter for the U.S. Department of War?

Elon says space makes sense for data centers, but I have a tough enough time maintaining the computer on my desk. If we want solar power and cheap land why isn’t Arizona, a Texas ranch, or central Florida a more sensible location?

How about the value of going to Mars? If a spaceship could accelerate continuously and indefinitely at 1g and decelerate at 1g how long would it take humans to get to Mars from Earth, all the while experiencing Earth-like gravity? Prof. Dr. ChatGPT, PhD Physics says 2-5 days. That would be an awesome tourism business. But, of course, SpaceX has no technology like that.

Perhaps the answer to the orbital-level valuation for SpaceX is that the company is run by a woman and we’re informed that female-led companies outperform their male-led peers. TIME:

Readers: What will SpaceX be worth five or ten years from now (in 2026 dollars)? What will have been seen as the main driver of value?

I’ll go first… because I believe in efficient markets, SpaceX in five years will be worth its IPO price plus 4% real return annually (about 21% over the IPO price). A narrow majority of the value will be from Starlink. (Note that this is like a probability expectation. I’m pretty sure that something dramatically good or dramatically bad will happen to SpaceX, but I can’t predict which is more likely and therefore my guess is right at the center. Analogous to the expected value of a coin flip game for $1 being $1 even though we know it will either be $0 or $2 and can’t be $1.)

A professional investor friend says that SpaceX would be a good buy at the IPO price because of the high percentage of retail purchases. “These retail investors come back in and support the price even after the inevitable post-IPO slump,” he said. “The more retail the better, contrary to previous prevailing wisdom.” If he had access to a large bock of SpaceX at the IPO price and without a lock-up, he would buy the block and sell it after a few days (i.e., right when a lot of index funds will be buying!).

“SpaceX IPO Is Said to Be More Than Four Times Oversubscribed” (Bloomberg, June 10):

SpaceX’s initial public offering has attracted demand for more than four times the available shares, according to people familiar with the matter, ahead of the Elon Musk-led rocket, satellite and artificial intelligence firm stopping taking orders.

SpaceX’s IPO is set to price June 11 and trade the following day. The company is offering 555.6 million shares at a fixed price of $135 each, which would raise about $75 billion, and value it at about $1.8 trillion.

I’m confused by the above. It says “set to price June 11” and the article is dated June 10. How was the price of $135/share already known on June 10? Separately, if the offering is oversubscribed by 4X, doesn’t that suggest the price is being set way too low? What about the duty to protect SpaceX’s existing shareholders by not giving away shares at such a low price that there are 4X as many buyers as shares? To avoid this abuse of shareholders, Google did a Dutch auction at its IPO (Google AI)

Google’s historic August 2004 Initial Public Offering (IPO) famously utilized a modified Dutch auction instead of the traditional wall street underwriting process. In this method, instead of investment banks setting a fixed price, individual and institutional investors bid directly on how many shares they wanted and the price they were willing to pay.

This is explained in “How I Did It: Google’s CEO on the Enduring Lessons of a Quirky IPO” (Harvard Business Review) by Eric Schmidt:

In mid-August the bidding began, based on our published expected IPO price range of $106 to $135 a share. … There weren’t a lot of orders, and to be frank, we wondered if we’d made a mistake in choosing an auction-based approach. The offers that did come in were at or below the low end of the range we’d anticipated. When the bidding period ended, it was clear that we weren’t going to be able to sell all the shares we had planned to sell in the price range we wanted. I met with the board to discuss whether we should delay our IPO and hope to get a higher price later. Our underwriters believed that we could close the IPO with a price around $80 to $90 a share if we reduced the number of shares for sale—a disappointing outcome. In the end we decided to close the IPO for a number of reasons, the most important being that it was time to put this chapter behind us and get back to running our business. So on August 18 we agreed to price it at $85 a share.

Perhaps this is the answer. Google expected to get more via an auction and got less. See also “Google shares took off, but the auction didn’t” (CNBC, 2014):

The rationale was simple: Take the short-term gains away from Wall Street and big money and give at least some ownership to the many consumers whose obsessive use of the search engine had allowed it to grow from a garage start-up into a multibillion-dollar phenomenon in half a decade.

But instead of pioneering a new formula for IPOs, with investment banks and big investment shops ceding control to the issuing companies and a wider universe of investors, the Google deal remains a historical anomaly.

Experts offer up two main explanations. The first is that auctions are risky. Banks get paid handsomely (7 percent of the offering amount is typical) to sell a deal to their clients, and in the process make sure prospective investors understand the business, competitive landscape and the state of the market. Through that work, they find what investors are willing to pay, so companies can be fairly confident that there’s adequate demand at the set price. An auction, meanwhile, is more like an investors’ Wild West.

The second reason is that Google’s offering wasn’t a real auction, but more of a hybrid. After all, there was clearly enough investor demand to price the stock at closer to $100, because that’s where the stock opened, but at the last minute lead underwriters Morgan Stanley and dropped it to $85. The low end of the expected range had been $108.

David Golden, a banker at JPMorgan, one of the many banks that served as an underwriter for the IPO, said the big investors decided just before the offering that without a reduction in price, they’d wait until the stock started trading and buy it on the open market rather than pay $100 a share or more in the IPO.

“Lo and behold, it was set at $85 a share, which built in a 15 to 18 percent profit that banks like to deliver to big institutional investors and that investors like to receive,” said Golden, who is now a managing partner at Revolution Ventures in San Francisco. Institutions “want to know that when they’re buying risky, illiquid securities, they’re going to have a built-in gain.”

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How are bond investors doing vs. inflation?

Our government has provided us with a fresh fictitious inflation report today (the fiction is that a person can rent the same single-family home in the U.S. for 20 years and do so at a cost lower than mortgage, property tax, maintenance, insurance, etc.; “owners’ equivalent rent”).

Conventional advice for retirement saving is to buy at least some bonds rather than hold an all-stock portfolio. How can that work given the miserably low yields on inflation-protected bonds (TIPS) and the payments in nominal dollars that get ravaged by inflation any time our wise politicians feel the need to print money?

“A Yale Professor’s Investment Formula Says You Need More Stocks. See How It Works.” (Wall Street Journal, February 2026):

The formula’s central insight is that the future paychecks and retirement benefits that someone has yet to receive in their life are, when taken as a whole, like a bond because fluctuations in earnings aren’t strongly correlated with stock-market returns. For this 25-year-old, that big, bondlike chunk of future money means they could more easily weather a steep drop in stocks.

As another example, the way it treats a hypothetical middle-aged couple differs based on the amount they have saved up.

In both scenarios, the formula steers the couple toward a lower equity allocation than it did the 25-year-old, because a smaller share of their lifetime income is still to come.

But it recommends a much lower allocation, 53%, when the couple has twice as much money to invest, because in that scenario upping the equity allocation would alter the risk profile of a larger proportion of their projected lifetime resources.

“It’s more conservative when you have more money saved up,” Choi said.

For a middle-aged couple with what someone in Miami would call “no money” (either $400,000 or $800,000 saved, neither of which will pay for a kitchen renovation), the Yale genius says that two men (it’s the WSJ so both participants in the “couple” must be guys in order that they can eventually form an all-male throuple) should have as much as half their portfolio in bonds (the non-academic non-geniuses at Vanguard give these two guys only 24% bonds):

What drops out of this thinking, for people aged 70, is that they should have somewhere between 35 and 70 percent of their investments in bonds:

After living just recently through Bidenflation and having a personal memory of the Jimmy Carter-era inflation (maybe not too different, actually, if CPI were calculated in the same way), this seems intuitively wrong. The 70-year-olds could live to be 100 via GLP-1 and whatever medical miracles LLMs can come up with. The 70-year-olds might care about leaving some money for their children and grandchildren, now forced to compete with 70+ million immigrants with whom the Boomers didn’t have to.

Maybe we can simply look back. The “keep adding bonds with age” strategy is embodied in the Vanguard funds. The Vanguard 2030 fund was created almost exactly 30 years ago. It has returned about 7% per year:

2006 wasn’t a great time to buy an all-stock portfolio, since you had to make it through the Collapse of 2008. Nonetheless, ChatGPT says that SPY has enjoyed a total return (dividends reinvested) of over 11% annually since then. The difference of 4% doesn’t sound huge, but that’s 100 percent of the standard formula of how much a person can spend in retirement from his/her/zir/their assets and not go broke for 30 years. For someone who started with $100,000, the S&P 500 investment would have grown to over $830,000. The same investor in the Vanguard part-bond fund would have only $430,000. That’s the difference between a totally-pimped house in The Villages (the fun center of Elder Florida) and a used/basic house in The Villages.

Note that the above calculations don’t include federal, state, and/or local income taxes that the investor would have had to pay on the dividends received into any non-retirement account. Taxes are worse for the part-bond investor because the yield is taxed as ordinary income and not subject to the qualified dividend discount. Also, stocks deliver much of their return via appreciation rather than by paying dividends. So the corporation may pay income tax, but the investor need not. ChatGPT says the $830,000 stock portfolio would be more like $625,000.

How about all bonds for 20 years? ChatGPT says the return would have been only 3.1% year. The $100,000 would have become $184,000, a laughable $12,000 in appreciation after adjusting for official CPI (i.e., it would have shrunk in terms of the ability to buy and maintain a single-family home). This turns into a real-dollar loss if held in a taxable account, having appreciated to only $144,000 in nominal dollars. The $100,000 became $87,600 in 2006 purchasing power (official CPI).

I’ve always struggled to comprehend why investors are willing to buy bonds priced in nominal dollars, which nearly all bonds are. Someone took the other side of our absurd mortgage, issued at 3.125% just as Bidenflation was gathering a major head of steam in February 2022. I would love to meet that person and ask “What did you think was going to happen?”

Readers: Can someone please sell me on why a typical investor would have even 1% bonds in his/her/zir/their portfolio? Let’s assume we’re talking about a 65-year-old. Because this person has money, it is likely that he/she/ze/they has children (fertility vs. income shows it is Americans with zero income and those with high incomes who have kids; the working class are being bred out of existence). Our hypothetical saver wants to not run out of money even if death comes at 111, which was the age of the oldest person receiving General Motors pension and health care benefits before the company went bankrupt/got bailed out by us in 2009 because they couldn’t pay their union retirees all of the promised pension and health care benefits. Our hypothetical saver would rather leave more than less to his/her/zir/their children and grandchildren. We’ll assume that 30 percent of the saver’s portfolio is in a tax-exempt retirement account. Could the answer be “It makes sense to buy bonds when the S&P 500’s average P/E ratio exceeds a threshold and trade them for stocks when the S&P dips”?

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Harvard geniuses underperform the S&P 500 by 15 percent per year

“Head of Harvard’s Endowment Tells Board He Plans to Retire” (Wall Street Journal), regarding a manager paid over $6 million per year:

N.P. “Narv” Narvekar, the head of Harvard University’s nearly $57 billion endowment, recently told the endowment’s board he plans to retire, according to people familiar with the discussions. He has served nearly a decade in the post.

In the past three years, Harvard earned an annualized return of 8.1%, a rate that topped that of Ivy League rivals Yale and Princeton and which placed it in a tie for fourth among a group of 12 top schools, according to financial technology company Markov Processes International.

The Wall Street Journal doesn’t bother to ask Edward Tufte’s question, “Compared to What?” But ChatGPT can come to the rescue:

In other words, one can get paid $6 million per year for dramatic underperformance relative to the simplest imaginable investment strategy, dumping everything into the S&P 500 (a 23% annual return vs. the 8% achieved by Mr. Narvekar and subordinates). That’s a career almost as good as “receptionist in NVIDIA branch office”!

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Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Meta, Google, and NVIDIA employees meet for dinner

Employees from Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Meta, Google, and NVIDIA meet at Protégé in Palo Alto for dinner.

The Apple COO: “My stock options are worth so much that I’m planning to buy all of the gold currently available on the world market.”

The Microsoft CFO: “My stock grants have gone up so much since Copilot launched that I’m planning to take over the diamond monopoly by purchasing DeBeers.”

The Amazon VP: “AWS Trainium has been knocking it out of the park with people trying to catch the AI wave. I’m going to use my 2025 bonus to buy all of the Class A office buildings and luxury rental high-rises in Brickell and Miami Beach so that I’ll be ready to profit as people from California and Washington continue to flee the high taxes and dysfunction.”

The Meta President: “Even though the metaverse failed, we’re still minting money from people addicted to the Like button. I’m cashing in some of my RSUs to buy all of the oil platforms that are offshore from Angola.”

The Alphabet/Google Chief Investment Officer: “The stock grants that they gave me when I was hired are worth so much that I’m picking up one of the smaller Hawaiian Islands.”

The NVIDIA branch office receptionist slowly finishes her bite of A5 Wagyu, then says, “I’m not selling.”

Happy National Stop Nausea Day to those who are sick with envy!

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If attacking Iran is a disaster for the U.S., why is the stock market slightly up?

This is my last morning in Berkeley, California. Support for the Islamic Republic of Iran is almost universal here. Nearly everyone shares the New York Times perspective that Trump’s attack on the noble legitimate leaders of Iran was reckless and exposes the U.S. to risks almost as bad as climate change. Certainly there was no imminent threat from some guys chanting “Death to America” and working on nuclear bombs and ballistic missiles. At dinner last night I asked a local, “Have you checked the stock market? If we’re in serious trouble, the market should be down.” She replied that she hadn’t checked, but was sure that there had been a market crash.

The Google shows that the market is about where it was a week ago.

How about oil?

Anyone who loaded up on oil on Friday is up 10 percent, but with standard leverage of 10:1, the lucky (or well-informed) trader has doubled his/her/zir/their money.

Loosely related, a favorite tweet regarding the fighting in and around Iran:

What else are Bay Area lifelong Democrats excited about? One friend wasn’t interested in the Iran war because he’s working to stop the construction of roughly 180 units of affordable housing that would be 2 miles from his house. (I’m also against this, of course, but likely for different reasons. A limited supply of taxpayer-subsidized housing results in a violation of the 14th Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause. 180 people will enjoy low rents for brand new units. Perhaps 5,000 nearby people with exactly the same income will be forced to pay high market rents for crummy older apartments. In what world can this be considered “equal” treatment by the government?)

Another friend was passionate about not straying too far from the 4th Street restaurant where we’d dined. She believed that we would become victims of crime if we walked away from the brightly lit main blocks. I pointed out that it wasn’t a great advertisement for 70 years of lavishly funded progressive government if Berkeley, in fact, had dangerous neighborhoods. (My local friend says that she often sees broken glass in parking spaces, evidence of prior break-ins.)

Separately, check out the “Living Wage” bump of 6 percent over the menu prices for this kosher meal.

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If AI is useful why is gold gaining in value compared to the S&P 500?

One of my faith-based beliefs is that productive assets, such as a company that makes widgets, are more valuable than rocks or metal bars. This, of course, hasn’t been true lately. Here’s the price of gold over the period of Bidenflation (we’re still in the “Bidenflation” period even without Biden, since inflation is tough to tame once it gets going, e.g., because government is nearly half the economy and many government payments are automatically indexed to inflation):

On the other hand, the S&P 500 is also way up, especially the Big Tech/AI companies.

What does ChatGPT have to say? The S&P is worth 1.7X all of the above-ground gold:

How about 10 years ago when AI wasn’t functional and productivity gains from AI weren’t baked into investor expectations? The ratio was higher: 2.35X.

So the value of productive assets, which should be enhanced by AI, have actually fallen relative to an unproductive asset, whose value shouldn’t be directly affected by AI.

Does this mean that markets don’t think that AI is useful? Or perhaps they think that AI will make some companies more productive, but it will render so many humans useless that taxes on the productive to fund idle lifestyles for the useless will wipe out any economic gains? Or maybe there is a simpler explanation, e.g., people love gold.

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How’s everyone’s crypto wallet doing?

The news in the Bitcoin world isn’t all bad. The tensor processing units (proprietary Google LLM chips) behind Gemini 3.0 fixed our Bitcoin v. Medical School page just in time for the Big Slide:

(adjusted for Bidenflation, Bitcoin is now down substantially from the mid-March 2021 price when everyone was filled with hope regarding the Biden-Harris administration leading us forward and out of the bad times of the Trump dictatorship (v1.0))

I wonder what this means for the Cirrus waiting list and aircraft values in general. A crypto investor seems like a natural personal airplane customer: (a) independent personality, (b) not averse to irrational purchases, (3) maybe a need to go back and forth to Puerto Rico frequently.

Stake in the ground: I’m not going to sell any Bitcoin!

Separately: “This Bitcoin crash is worse than a divorce. I lost half of my money and my wife is still around.” (source)

Readers: who has favorite X posts to share? I’ll start:

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