How can bars offer discounts to women as a practical matter in the transgender age?

by philg

“A Fight for Men’s Rights, in California Courts: Ladies’ nights, career seminars and paternity fraud are all on the docket.” (nytimes):

California’s Unruh Civil Rights Act … outlaws discrimination against all people by any type of business establishment in the state, regardless of a person’s sex, race and other characteristics. Mr. Allison and his cohort would like to remind everyone that Unruh’s broad promise of “full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities, privileges or services” extends to men.

The coalition members have become known around town as men who want to know when a bar or club is offering a discount on admissions or drinks only to women.

Maybe it is legal to have a different price for women as opposed to men, but how does it work in practice in the transgender and fluid gender age? If a patron walks in and says “I identify as a woman so I would like to pay the lower price” and the bar or club refuses, isn’t the bar or club then guilty of violating the rights of the transgendered? Even if discrimation against men is legal, isn’t it illegal in California to discriminate against those whose gender ID does not correspond to the sex printed on their birth certificate?

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11 thoughts on “How can bars offer discounts to women as a practical matter in the transgender age?”

  1. Patron: “I identify as a woman so I would like to pay the lower price”
    Bartender / Waiter: “I need a prove, show me your tits”

  2. Even if discrimation against men is legal, isn’t it illegal in California to discriminate against those whose gender ID does not correspond to the sex printed on their birth certificate?

    It’s highly unlikely that a court would find that the one kind of discrimination is legal and the other illegal. I wouldn’t worry about it.

  3. Vince: I think, at least as a practical matter, discrimination against men in employment is legal in California. See https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/movies/zoe-lister-jones-all-female-film-crew.html

    But nobody has yet answered the question from the original post… in our fluid gender and transgender age, how does it work to offer different prices to customers with different gender IDs? (I don’t think that George A’s suggestion was intended to be practical)

  4. They can do whatever they want… until someone screams loud enough about it.

  5. There is ABSOLUTELY NO discrimination against men in California or elsewhere: the male actors who are unhappy with all-women cast can freely self-identify as women.

    So, how would that gender-aware pricing work? in exactly the same way airlines customize their pricing. We tend to assume that it is only a consumer that may exhibit a fluid gender model, but nothing stops companies from doing same.

    For marketing purposes a merchant may assume that you are an undocumented minority female (and offer a discount to support fairness and inclusion), but when it’s time to check out they will switch to a “temporary congested-gender pricing” model.

    It’s a fully gender-neutral policy: when they mention an “all-female” price they may really mean “all-male”, because the switch is so natural and is a fundamental human right. If you complain (or sue) you are a confirmed sexist.

  6. All people who identify as women get the discount. What is impractical about this policy?

  9. That’s awesome, Steve (I clicked on your name to see the photo).

    What should we get for the Honda Odyssey? “I identify as a plug-in hybrid”? “I identify as a Tesla that was built at a profit”? “I identify as a Ferrari that has spent 10 years on the American diet”?

  10. Whatever gets you the best tax break and/or access to the HOV lanes? I’d love for that Ford to apply for a California “Clean Air” sticker –since it identifies as a Prius — so it can go in the HOV lanes on the 405 here! A new frontier in identity politics….!

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