Bernie Sanders proposes a 90 percent income tax rate
A friend in Cambridge shared this article about Bernie Sanders proposing a 90 percent top income tax rate. I tried to figure out how it would work in practice given our not-so-simple tax code.
My friend’s justification for the higher tax rate was “You want to live in a country? With paved roads and safe bridges and lots of customers for your products? Then pay for it!” Some of his other friends observed that the most productive citizens might be motivated to emigrate (e.g., Eduardo Saverin fled to Singapore, where the entire government is run for about 15 percent of GDP (compare to roughly 40 percent here); almost anywhere in the EU or Switzerland would also become a low-tax option were the U.S. to adopt the proposed rate). He responded “If the threat is: rich people will take their money and go live somewhere else, you know what I say to that? Good riddance! You want to be an American and take advantage of the biggest army on the planet defending your shit? Pay for it. You want access to the best consumer market in the solar system? Pay for it. Capitalists: always looking for a handout.” His friend chimed in “Yea I love the anti-government folks. They are the ones who live in this weird world where the government is useless…but take advantage of it the most” and he responded “Exactly: handouts. You don’t get to be rich without taking maximal advantage of the system.”
I then asked “Where do you define rich? Personally I would choose the threshold for high taxation at $1 more than whatever I happen to earn in any given year. And you are making powerful arguments that all wealth properly belongs to the government for enabling it to be created or preserved. Why not a higher tax rate than 90% then?” and that generated a consensus that the threshold for the 90% rate should be $1 million per year (given state and local taxes, therefore, it would become tough to take home more than $500,000 per year).
Given that the same people who support higher taxes on the rich also support higher profits for child support plaintiffs I asked “How would you address the issue of child support in your ‘90% over $1 million’ system? Many states, including Massachusetts, set child support based on pre-tax income. If a woman met a finance industry guy in a bar and got pregnant following their one-night encounter, she might get a $1-1.7 million/year child support revenue stream (depending on the state) based on his $10 million/year income. But under your system the child support (not tax deductible, unlike alimony) would exceed the defendant’s after-tax income.”
The answer to that conundrum was that only a small percentage of child support plaintiffs get more than $500,000 per year in revenue from any one defendant (which still does leave open the problem of what to do with those defendants whose child support obligation exceeds after-tax income).
I then asked “What happens to mid-career people who have already saved a lot? Suppose an entrepreneur has $100 million in savings from a previous company. Why does she keep working if the most she can possibly take home is about $1 million? Do we accept that people like her exit the workforce?”
The response from the the original sharer “People who have $100 mil in the bank should be figuring out how to spend that money in the most productive possible way, not working their butts off trying to make more money from a salary! What the hell is the point of that?!” I pointed out to him that he was a big admirer of Tesla “which was founded by Elon Musk after he already made $165 million from PayPal (and started PayPal after making $22 million from Zip2). Would Musk would have done the same thing with no way to earn more than $500k to $1 million per year? Or would be better for society not to have rich people like Musk at all?”
The answer regarding Musk, who has gone from being worth about $22 million (pre-tax) to $12 billion was that “Elon Musk is trying to save the world. That’s why I admire him. He’s not in it for the money; that’s the last damn thing he needs. He’s way smarter than that. He knows money does him no good on a burning planet [global warming reference]. And he didn’t make $165 mil from PayPal in salary payments smile emoticon He did that by creating massive shareholder value.” [Nobody commented on the irony of a person so uninterested in money earning $12 billion.]
So it turned out that at least this advocate for a 90 percent tax rate wants to distinguish between “unproductive” W2 income and “productive” capital gains income. But how does that work in practice? Couldn’t companies issue employee stock options that would be tax-free at the time of issue (see irs.gov) and then take the money that they would have paid in W2 salary and use it to buy back shares, thus lifting the price of the stock? The formerly high-paid W2 workers would now be high-paid option exercisers. Perhaps this would work out better for public company shareholders because the insiders couldn’t enrich themselves without returning cash to shareholders as well.
And what about people who have a high income because they operate a business as a sole proprietor or partner? Are they also subject to this 90 percent tax? If so, do they cut back to working 15 hours per week and let the business shrink? If they’re not subject to this 90 percent tax does that simply mean that companies bring in their most important/valued people as 1099 consultants on a project-by-project basis? Then the “consultants” can keep more than 10 percent of their income. With a high minimum wage (previous posting) and a high top tax rate, the U.S. becomes a nation of consultants at the top and bottom end of the income scale?
What do readers think? Could the 90 percent tax rate work? If so, how? And let’s say that that it does work but results in the high-income people that make us sick with envy emigrating to Europe and Singapore, is that good or bad? We lose the people who pay about half of current federal income taxes (source) but prices for downtown apartments, fancy suburban mansions, and beach houses will all presumably fall. A variety of European countries had very high tax rates in the 1970s and average citizens didn’t get upset when their most successful peers emigrated to Monaco (or just moved their productive assets offshore, like U2).
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