Face mask may lead to a medical emergency

by philg

My Facebook feed is packed with Karens expressing hatred for those who say that wearing a mask is bad for health, uncomfortable, or results in oxygen starvation. (Advantage: Sweden, since they have no mask requirement and therefore citizens of Sweden can’t hate each other over this.)

Samples:

Flabbergasted at the number of people I see not wearing masks IN THE AIRPORT. Airport employees not wearing masks. People with masks under their noses. New rule: you can not wear a mask in public, but only if you write “I’m an asshole” on your forehead, with a sharpie. You can wear it under your nose if you write, “I’m stupid.”

I’m wearing a mask, not because the government says to, but because I’m a doctor’s kid, and I have a brain. I’m from Chicago, and every since I was little, I could see how far the moisture in my lungs and throat and mouth travel, because when it’s below freezing, you can actually see it. So I don’t need any damn government telling me not to be an asshole. On the other hand, mask-refusers are ruled by the government. They’re like kids shouting, “You’re not the boss of me!” and doing the opposite of whatever the government says. In this way, the government controls them. They don’t get to make their own decisions any more, because they’ve handed the power over to the government.

Marco Iannelli, at the end, says that wearing a mask does not make it difficult to breathe. What do the experts say?

From my inbox, July 6:

WEARING FACE COVERINGS SAFELY IN HOT WEATHER

The City of Cambridge and the Cambridge Public Health Department understand that wearing masks or cloth face coverings may not be possible in every situation or for some people, especially during the summer months.

In some situations, wearing a cloth face covering may worsen a physical or mental health condition, lead to a medical emergency, or introduce significant safety concerns.

#BelieveExperts?

Update from 7/22. A post from a friend in California (after months of wearing masks, now hosting an exponential epidemic of the virus that is prevented by wearing masks):

44 thoughts on “Face mask may lead to a medical emergency”

  1. I haven’t examined the data source or math on this claim:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/07/to_mask_or_not_to_mask.html
    “If soiled masks spray patients with bacteria, what about the lungs of the wearer? Ventilator-associated pneumonia is a leading cause of death….
    Assuming that masks carry a similar risk to CPAP, wearing the same mask for an eight-hour workday carries a 0.03% chance per day of pneumonia. Multiply by five for a week, and then 0.2 for the chance of dying from pneumonia, and that produces a 0.03% chance per week of death due to wearing a mask at work. There are currently about 4 million retail sales workers, which would mean 1,200 excess pneumonia deaths per week caused by retail mask mandates. ”

    Presumably the risk of infection is longer for masks worn for many hours at at time, so 4 million people at 40 hours a week would be riskier than 160 million people for 1 hour per week… but the risk would still be non-zero.

    • Thanks for the link. “Mask-wearing Asian countries have no less influenza tha[n] non-wearing Western countries.” is interesting. https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/can-masks-capture-coronavirus/ says “Coronavirus particles (fancy scientific name “virions”) are spheres with diameters of approximately 0.125 microns (125 nm). The smallest particles are 0.06 microns, and the largest are 0.14 microns.” https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/01/coronavirus-surgical-masks-china.html says that influenza is around 80-120 nm.

      Maybe it is too hard to tease out from all of the other social distancing and shutdown stuff, but I wonder if we will see a huge reduction in flu from the increased use of masks. There should be a big reduction in flu deaths, right? Flu and coronaplague target a lot of the same categories of people. It isn’t possible to die from both flu and coronaplague at the same time, at least not in our statistics.

      One reliable way to get defriended on Facebook is to ask a mask enthusiast “If it is this easy to beat a virus, why not use masks to get rid of influenza, which kills up to 650,000 people, including many children, worldwide every year?”

    • > Mask-wearing Asian countries have no less influenza that non-wearing Western countries.

      Is this correct? The linked document has some statistics for Japan but I don’t see a comparison to other countries. I visited Tokyo in 2017 and while I did see a few people wearing masks, they were definitely in the minority at the time. Perhaps the usage among sick people is somewhat high? There might also be some asymptomatic transmission for the flu though.

      Certainly if you could show that mask use doesn’t help prevent the spread of the flu, that would call into question how helpful they are with coronavirus. We do have evidence that coronavirus safety measures in Hong Kong (including masks) helped end their flu season early:
      https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3076888/coronavirus-measures-help-hong-kong-flu-season

      I suspect we should’ve been wearing masks all along to prevent the spread of flus and colds, at least when doing activities with a high probability of transmission where it’s not that intrusive to do so, e.g. riding the subway. We also have flu vaccines that, while not 100% effective, do provide some protection and thereby limit the spread of the flu by providing some amount of herd immunity, so perhaps we should be nudging people a little harder to get a flu shot (this is America, so maybe we could pay people money).

  2. Here in Singapore it’s 90°F daily with 90% humidity. Mask wearing is required by law, and facial (😂) compliance is 99.9%, aided by fines that _start_ at $1,500 and escalate, as well as probable deportation for non-compliant foreigners. Some people wear them improperly, but few. The government has given every citizen and long-term resident two reusable fabric masks, although most people wear disposable surgical masks, which are widely and cheaply available. Singapore has an extremely high coronavirus infection rate, due to the large number of migrant workers who live in crowded dormitories, but fewer than 5 deaths per million because the average age of infection is ≈30 years old (construction workers are selected to be young and healthy). I am a little skeptical of the efficacy of masks, but I think the scientific evidence strongly suggests they are unlikely to do any harm. If 5.8 million Singapore residents can wear masks in the tropical heat all day, every day, for months, it’s really no big deal. I’ve been doing it for months here and it’s really no big deal. I’m confused why this is even an issue.

    • I have yet to see any group of people in Maskachusetts wear masks consistently. People will wear masks around their neck (thereby ensuring that any microbes that landed on their neck will now be on the inside of the mask) and raise up the mask if they think that they are about to be reasonably close to someone else. So there is a huge amount of touching the mask. Others won’t bother in an office building-type environment where they are seldom closer than 10′ from anyone else. Food stores and restaurants are the only places that I have seen consistent and close-to-correct usage of masks by Americans. Somehow everyone agrees that food should be kept clean. (But we also want to save the planet, so now shoppers here in MA are encouraged to bring their filthy 2-year-old canvas reusable shopping bags into the supermarkets once again. After only a few hundred uses, the canvas bag pulls ahead of disposable plastic in energy/resource savings.)

    • Sam: Americans definitely do not like wearing the mask. I have heard adults and children say “I don’t want to do X because I don’t want to wear a mask.” This could be a suburbanite refusing a trip to the city (where masks are required if you’re just out on the sidewalk). It could be a child refusing a trip to a store or a restaurant. I know a physician who decided not to go back to in-person work because of the requirement to wear a mask (“she prefers not to”).

      What would probably work is some kind of automated monitoring system and a cash reward. Since we are happy to print money, just offer to pay people $2,000 if they automated monitor shows that they wore a mask consistently/correctly for 2 weeks or whatever the desired compliance period is.

  3. Wait. I thought the term Karen was applied to people who thought they were special and didn’t need to wear a mask. Now you are applying it in the opposite direction. I think agreeing on terminology would be a good start.

    • That struck me as well. I am on the side of this Karen. Just wear the #!*ing mask. Use hand sanitizer, have temperature checks done on entry to “crowded areas”, like an airport (perhaps not so much anymore), test “front line” workers regularly (at least weekly). Maybe it all helps, maybe some is “pandemic theater”, but none seems too much of a hardship. Get back to work/school/whatever, and hope to survive to see get vaccinated (says one of the fortunate able to work from home).

  4. We are in the middle of a heat wave here in NYC. Libraries and other indoor facilities used to be promoted as places for the elderly to cool down in the heat of the day, when their apartments might not get properly cooled. We’ll see if there is an increase in heat stroke cases. You can’t go to the movies to cool downand. Kids can’t go to camp in the countryside. City park-based day camps are closed. We will see what that does to asthma attacks.

    Oh yeah, I almost forgot that only the covid can kill us.

  6. Note how all these mask promoters showing that their SpO2 diesn’t drop below 100% are young and female (slower metabolism).

    My normal sea-level SpO2 is 97% (I am healthy, by the way, mid 50s). N95 mask (and I know how to wear them properly) drops that to 94% within 15 minutes. After couple hours in that I develop headache, indicative of hypercapnia.

    As a pilot (and technical diver trained to be very attentive to everytying related to breathing) I absolutely refuse to fly in a mask. It is not safe, and not sane. Which didn’t stop medical charlatans in CA mandating them for dual instruction.

    A propos: any mask below N95 is totally useless as a protection against virus-laden aerosols (hint: the bigger droplets seen in all these “spreading in masks vs no masks” videos aren’t the vector for spread of airborne infections as they are quickly dropping out of the air. It’s nearly invisible micro droplets which stay airborne for minutes which are dangerous. The reason why warm humid air reduces transmission of colds and such is that these micro-droplets in humid air tend to coalesce and form bigger droplets which then fall out of the air.)

    Finally, there is a research (published by CDC) which unambiguously indicates that masks (of any kind) are totally ineffective against spread of viral infections.

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

    So… masks as protection against COVID-19 are cargo-cult pseudscience at best, and asinine dangerous dictate at worst. No ifs and no buts about that.

  7. Masks were never mandatory in Finland. Almost nobody weared them voluntary. During my occasional commute in the Helsinki area, I consider myself lucky if I see a single person with a mask.

    Yet, the epidemic is very minor in Finland so far.

  8. We know the “mask” is just part of the Gates-5G-RFID chip plan for Illuminati control of the American Lumpenproletariat as the New World Order progresses.

    His Plan is taking shape. Sustained for decades with proprietary regenerative medical technology, Richard Nikolaus Eijiro, Count of Coudenhove-Kalergi is nodding wisely from his hideaway in the Tyrolese Alps.

    • “Never atteribute to malice that what could be adequately explained by stupidity.”

  9. There are people who have been wearing masks regularly long before it was the socially correct thing to do. They work around things they don’t want to inhale a bunch of, like wood dust, concrete dust, or diatomaceous earth. I’ve worked with this stuff and wore the N95-exhaust masks for years; I’ve only worn a surgical/cloth masks recently. I would say the surgical/cloth masks are much more comfortable and easier to breath in.

    Until it became a political thing I never heard anyone claim that a mask made it difficult to breath. Frankly, if someone has trouble breathing during their daily activities while wearing a mask I would be concerned about their ability to handle a respiratory infection.

    If you worked in an auto body shop or some other venue where vapors were a concern you would be wearing a respirator with vapor cartridges, which are much bigger and less comfortable than the masks people are talking about these days. I don’t has as much experience with these, but ordinary people are working these jobs and apparently do not have problems.

    • Hypoxia and hypercapnia do not have any noticeable (to an untrained observer) effects until they are really serious. The effects like longer reaction time, diminished capacity fot reasoning, lower visual acuity, suppressed immyne system, etc. Thast’s why every training course for pilots has a chapter dedicated to hypoxia and FAA regulations mandate use of oxygen above specific altitudes. Because you can be happy as a clam snd feel nothing wrong while seriously impaired by hypoxia.

    • George: So you’re saying Let’s not believe the experts at the Cambridge Public Health Department!

      (Separately, are you sure that you’re not seeing selection bias? People who have difficulty breathing while wearing a mask are not going to accept and/or keep a job that requires wearing a mask, are they? In fact, if they can’t work because the Cambridge Public Health Department turns out to be correct, they should qualify for a lifetime of taxpayer cash: https://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/ . So there is no incentive for an American to keep working at a job that requires wearing a mask unless that American happens not to mind the mask.)

  10. I hail from Maskachusetts, but I have lived in Singapore for a few years now. I am so confused. In Singapore mask-wearing is like stopping at a red light. You don’t do it because the police might catch you. You don’t do it only when there are lots of people around. You stop at a red light even at 4 AM at a deserted intersection because that’s what civilization means.

    Masks are not a panacea. At first, I worried that perhaps they would give people too much confidence, or that wearing them improperly could make things worse. Science is indeed sometimes counterintuitive like that. The evidence is not 100% clear, but having read a number of papers in the field, it seems increasingly remote that they make things worse, and increasingly likely that they reduce the probability of transmission of the disease. I found both of these posts informative and helpful:

    https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/03/23/face-masks-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/

    https://medium.com/incerto/the-masks-masquerade-7de897b517b7

    I think Taleb’s post about the _non-linearity_ involved is particularly apropos.

    President Trump has been clear for months that he supports voluntary masking nationwide, and has long urged local governors to make sound decisions for their states (the Federal government obviously lacks the power to compel a universal mask mandate). I am afraid that woke scolds and the media have created a political issue out of whole cloth by somehow pretending both that masking is a panacea and that President Trump opposes it (when neither is true).

    But I support masking because it’s so trivial. It’s almost costless in both time and money, and could prevent death or the need for costly and dangerous lockdowns that harm economic vitality, happiness and health in other ways. I’ve worn a mask everyday, all day, when I’m not in my own house, since early April, in a climate with an average temperature of 90°F and an average humidity of 90%. So has everyone else in this country, from age 2 to 102, for months on end. It’s a far smaller loss of liberty than any other measure, so I’m perplexed by the kvetching!

    Finally, I think the Cantabridgean disclaimer is more likely to have emanated from lawyers than from public health #experts.

  11. Really? Again with the masks?

    Just wear the damn mask when you’re around other people and quit whining and crying about it. Good God, it’s unbelievable the resistance to this simple act.

    And spare me all the BS about hypoxia. It’s not going to happen.

    • So… you don’t care about what actual science says, you just want everyone to obey idiotic dictates because you’re scared? Got it.

    • Jim: So you disagree with the scientists at the Cambridge Public Health Department? There is no situation in which a mask could “lead to a medical emergency” as the scientists say?

    • averros…I just don’t think anyone has ever been rushed to an emergency room because their oxygen saturation had dropped to dangerous levels because of a mask. If you want to fixate on that and you’re scared to wear a mask because of it, go right ahead. I’d wager that 99.9% of those wearing a mask are never in danger of that.

      Phil….I’m sure there’s a situation where that can happen, Anything can and will happen. I’m just saying it’s highly unlikely, and shouldn’t be used by the vast majority of people to avoid wearing a mask.

    • Jim: think again. People have died because of wearing masks – one notorious example is the guy who passed out in his car because he was wearing a mask. Yes, this is officially confirmed case of death. https://people.com/human-interest/man-wearing-n95-mask-passes-out-while-driving-car-crashing-into-pole/

      Now, given that even mild hypoxia is known to diminish capacity for safety-critical decision making (such as increased reaction time during driving or operating machinery in the shops) – and often this happens without the hypoxic person ever noticing, how many seemingly unrelated “accidents” are, in fact, result of unnecessary mask wearing? These days I certainly see a lot more drivers on the road who behave erratically (this being mask-happy CA there’s a lot of clowns wearing masks in their own cars).

      To add icing on the top of the cake, hypoxia and acidosis resulting from hypercapnia have well known immunosuppressive effects. (See for example an actual medical doctor speaking about that: https://www.technocracy.news/blaylock-face-masks-pose-serious-risks-to-the-healthy/).

      Basically masks are known to have no effect on airborne viral infection transmission (yes, this is well-established science, multiple studies, with pooled study populations in 10s of thousands participants). At the same time their side effects suppress immunity. You are actually MORE likely to get infected (and transmit infection to others) if you are wearing mask. This is science, not something I pulled out of my derriere, like politicos, bureacrats, and journos who promulgate fear porn and cargo-cult masking rituals.

      Oh, and there is NOT A SINGLE verified case of asymptomatic transmission. After millions infected and months of intensive studies. Which, basically, means that if you are asymptomatic you won’t infect others, period. But, sure, wear mask! Be a scientifically illiterate gullible sheep.

    • averros…It’s pointless to argue with you. You’re antri-mask, deep state, dead set against wearing a mask. I can find just as much “science” to prove the benefits, but it won’t matter to you.

      Good luck and stay healthy.

  12. Maybe I missed it in other comments, but the problem isn’t just not getting enough oxygen, it’s not getting rid of enough CO2.

    That said, I’m an avid mask wearer — well, bandana-over-mouth wearer. I know that doesn’t do a lot, but I’m just looking to reduce my saliva spew by ~30% and reduce my uptake of others’ spew by 10%. And if everybody did that… well, it would reduce R0 from 3 to 2. We’re still screwed, but we’ll be screwed more slowly.

    Also, really good link in Marginal Revolution (today?) about how to ask others to wear their mask and wear them properly, and actually maybe get them to wear their masks and wear them properly. As you might guess, this involves doing approximately the opposite of what everyone is posting on their “social” media.

    • Chris: “And if everybody did that… well, it would reduce R0 from 3 to 2. We’re still screwed, but we’ll be screwed more slowly.”

      Are Americans actually better off if we drag this thing out? If coronaplague is allowed to run wild, as in Sweden, it seems to last for about three months (see https://covid19.healthdata.org/sweden for the “Daily deaths” graph). If there is even one person anywhere in the U.S. currently in the hospital with Covid-19, that brings the U.S. to a mental standstill. Americans cannot think about anything other than coronaplague. So dragging out the plague via shutdowns and masks simply prolongs the period of time that Americans will be indifferent to educating their children, working, socializing, etc. For the elderly/vulnerable population, dragging out the plague means a longer lockdown during which they can’t see friends and relatives and enjoy whatever activities have been motivating them to continue living.

      I’m looking at the NYT right now. 6 out of 6 top stories on the front page are about coronavirus (one is amusing: “Can You Get Covid Again? It’s Very Unlikely, Experts Say”; this from the same NYT that has informed us that Sweden tried and failed to achieve “herd immunity” and that it was stupid because there was no guarantee of any immunity (in fact, Sweden’s policy was not premised on a goal of herd immunity to begin with!)).

    • “Experts” are full of *it. That much we already know.

      It is quite possible to get COVID for a second time – my friends just did (they got it first time in early March, and got exactly the same symptoms couple days ago after a trip).

      This matches the normal behavior of specific immunity to coronaviruses: it fades over 3-5 months. Normally, that’s more than enough for the population to acquire herd immunity to the strains involved in the epidemic (and thus terminate the epidemic). “Flattening the curve” prolongs the epidemic by slowing down the transmission and thus building the herd immunity, and thus exposes people to re-infection. All hail out idiot “expert” overlords!

  13. It’s a special kind of nonsense to take your chances with something that’s killed 140,000+ American’s because you’re afraid of wearing a mask, which has killed zero people. The level of paranoia and stupidity in this country is astounding.

    • It’s a special kind of retardation to try to learn how things actually work not from actual science, but from fear porn pushers. The level of paranoia and stupidity in this country is astounding.

      The actual science says:

      1. Masks don’t prevent or slow down transmission of airborne viral infections. They just don’t. Multiple studies (including RCTs), no statistically significant effect observed.

      2. There is no empirical evidence of asymptomatic transmission of SARS2. None at all. So if you’re asymptomatic you won’t infect others. Therefore wearing masks by people without symptoms of a respiratory illness is simply useless.

      And, yes, masks killed and keep killing people. See my post above.

    • averros: What fascinates me now is that the U.S. is simultaneously flooded with (a) stories about out-of-control coronaplagues in California, Texas, and Florida (all of which have had mask laws, at least in their big cities, going back as far as April), and (b) stories about how Americans can “control” and “beat” coronavirus by wearing masks.

      Even a medical school professor friend was telling me recently that he thinks masks for the general population are effective, but he didn’t have a way to explain the exponential plagues in California, for example, other than he believed that mask orders were relatively recent there. To “well, shouldn’t we then see a kink in the curve?” he just had no answer at all. This guy is ordinarily intelligent and skeptical.

      There does seem to be a deep human need to feel that we are in control of the virus. Check out https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-07-23/i-was-wrong-about-florida-s-response-to-covid-19 for example.

      “And who claimed that Florida was doing a good job containing the pandemic? Oh, right. It was me. … In retrospect, it’s clear that DeSantis — as well as governors in Texas, Arizona, California and a lot of other states — reopened too early because they too were swayed by their low death rates and were eager to get their economies back on track.”

      All the way through this article there is the implicit assumption that humans are in control of the virus. We get to pick how many humans are infected and die. If we shut down for additional months we will not simply delay infections and deaths, but will prevent them. This is all contrary to what “science” was saying in March, contrary to what the Swedish MD/PhDs have been saying all along, and contrary to the numbers that we can see online any time we care to look (i.e., that the plague reliably started back up in every state that came out of shutdown, just as the Swedes said it would).

      It is a big strange because nobody says this about influenza. We don’t pat ourselves on the back at the end of every flu season to congratulate ourselves for getting the flu “under control”. We aren’t surprised that masked countries such as Japan have a higher flu death rate than the unmasked U.S. (see https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/influenza-pneumonia/by-country/ ). We seem to assume that influenza is in charge.

    • Senorpablo: Why didn’t you wear a mask every day since you were old enough to have awareness of influenza? Why didn’t you avoid any kind of close contact with other humans? Why didn’t you carry around a vat of hand sanitizer and use some after every time that you touched something that another human, potentially flu-infected, might have touched? Why did you take your chances with something (influenza) that has killed literally millions of Americans, including thousands of children, within your own lifetime?

    • Phil…I live in LA county. Just because we have mandates for face masks doesn’t mean everyone is wearing them. Quite the opposite. The highest spike is with the 20-40 years old who have parties, went to bars (when they were open) and don’t practice social distancing.

    • Jim: If you’re going to use “science” to come up with an effective policy for a population, don’t you have to consider that the population may include 20-40-year-olds who enjoy partying and mingling unmasked? If California’s strict mask laws have been rendered irrelevant by 20-40-year-olds partying, what will change for the next round of mask laws? Can 20-40-year-olds themselves be outlawed?

      (This is what the Swedes were saying back in March. If you’re a Western government and you don’t have full police state powers, you aren’t going to be able to lock people down tightly enough to stop the virus from spreading. I actually think that they were wrong, as noted in a previous post about Florida, which appears to me to have had a successful shutdown (followed by an immediate coronaplague!): https://philip.greenspun.com/blog/2020/07/10/coronaplague-test-data-show-that-florida-successfully-flattened-the-curve/ )

    • averros, what a ridiculous position to take in the midst of a crisis. We’ll just do nothing until we’re absolutely certain about what the long term science says. For over 50 years, there was no conclusive scientific evidence that asbestos or smoking caused cancer! There’s zero practical downside to wearing a mask. For every bogus link or study you can provide, there are just as many to the contrary. How many credible folks are saying don’t wear a mask? Even Trump is onboard now, so it’s just you and the other member of the cult of contrarian.

    • philg, why didn’t I wear a mask all the time when the biggest viral threat was the flu? Because the flu doesn’t kill significant numbers of people in my age range; hasn’t killed 140k American’s in 3-4 months(with extreme precautions in place!); and the long term damage is well known to be insignificant. Why do you ever wear a seatbelt–only 40k Americans per year die from auto accidents!

      California was doing relatively well until we started opening up again. Bars and restaurants, both places where you can’t wear a mask, seem likely to have contributed to that.

      It seems like common sense to me that a mask would at least diffuse and reduce the velocity of viral particles in the air, reducing concentration and viral load. No one has been able to articulate the practical downside of wearing a mask.

  14. Me not wearing a face mask almost lead to a medical emergency for the old crank that grabbed my cart and asked all the shoppers passing by to call the cops. Interestingly all the Karen looking types refused his request to call the cops. People are brain damaged by the fear mongering, masking is never going away unless a lot more people start behaving like reasonable humans.

    • GB: Nor should masking go away, if we apply Senorpablo’s logic. The world is full of scary deadly viruses, including influenza. Nothing is more important than staying alive. Masks are cheap and, contrary to what the scientists at the Cambridge Public Health Department say, can never lead to a medical emergency. Thanks to the miracle of low-skill immigration, the U.S. becomes more crowded every year. It would be the height of irrationality to go out unmasked among the 330 million (and growing) U.S. population! And, since a plastic face shield doesn’t cost much and could add substantial protection, even if there were a 100% effective coronavirus vaccine, a logical person would never leave the house without a plastic face shield over an N95 mask.

      (Maybe it made sense to go out without a mask/shield in 1800, when the U.S. population was only 5 million, but those days are long past!)

      If a virus has killed even a single person and a mask has killed zero people, as Senorpablo points out, it makes sense for every American to wear a mask (cost-free, Senorpablo assures us) to protect against that virus that has killed one person.

    • I always get a kick how in a setting where everyone is wearing a mask, except you, everyone else, except you, is a “sheep” or “brain damaged”.

      You know, if you’re feeling a bout of hypoxia coming on you can simply remove your mask before you’re whisked off to the ER.

  15. The longer this drags on the more it becomes about “masks”. As if “masks” will save us all and lead to zero death from COVID-19.

    Masks would not have been such a hot-button issue like it is now IF we were not forced to close schools, close shops, close events, on and on and on. The impact of the shutdown on people’s live and the country — short and long term — IS the elephant in the room and no one seems to see it this elephant more.

    The the media and Karens simply lost focus and interest (intentionally?) at what is at stake here: they want ZERO death from COVID-19 at the cost of no-one-is-keeping-track-of-death from the shutdown. Where is the logic in this?

    Infection != Death
    Stress == Death [1]

    People die by simply falling from their bed [2] why not require all beds be at ground level so we have zero death?

    [1] https://www.slma.cc/the-science-of-stress/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Center%20for,result%20of%20work%2Drelated%20stress.
    [2] https://www.dailycal.org/2017/06/30/14-things-kill-people-sharks/#:~:text=Falling%20out%20of%20bed&text=Yes.,from%20head%20and%20neck%20injuries.

  16. “Texas, … had various forms of mask laws in place for months”

    Well I suppose the governor prohibiting any one from requiring masks IS a form of a mask law.

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