Is the smartest response to the Jason Arday tragedy to eliminate academic research departments of sociology and education?

Prof. Dr. Jason Atta Kwei Arday, Ph.D. was a “sociology of education” scholar. His work, despite generating awe at Cambridge University, failed to impress ChatGPT. What would happen if both sociology and education were eliminated as academic research departments and, instead, the questions being asked were bounced into economics (and maybe a few to anthropology)? Would the world then suffer for lack of interesting or useful research results? ChatGPT estimated that Professor Arday was certainly a better researcher than at least 30% of the people in education/sociology and possibly better than 50% (i.e., as many as half of the people getting paid to do research in this area are even less competent).

Can anyone think of a PhD thesis or journal paper from sociology or education that has had significant impact and that wouldn’t have fit reasonably well within economics or, perhaps, anthropology?

(This is not to suggest that the “Doctor of Education” professional education programs, such as what Prof. Dr. Jill Biden, EdD went through, should be eliminated. I don’t know enough to say whether these EdD programs make better school principals and other education bureaucrats.)

How much less would future generations earn if degrees in education were no longer offered because the faculty had all been cut loose? The chart below says that young people earn $18,000 less over a 10-year horizon if they get a degree in education vs. simply do the work that a median high-school graduate would do:

(“Social Sciences” that aren’t economics get a boost in earnings, so perhaps a sociology degree actually does have cash value? Wikipedia lists a huge number of majors that could fall under this umbrella, including degrees that prepare young people for lucrative DEI management jobs. This 2015 study found that sociology graduates had among the lowest earnings of any social science majors. We also have to consider the selection bias of those who choose to attend college and those who have the stick-to-itiveness to finish a degree. That population would probably do quite well economically if they never attended college, but simply started working at 18. That same issue cuts through all of the studies, I think. An 18-year-old who had what it takes to get into college and complete a CS degree could probably also do great via self-study and practical experience as a programmer.)

Let’s check in with the world’s leading sociologists and see if we’d be sorry if they were cut loose. Here’s Joya Misra, professor at University of Maskachusetts and head of the prestigious American Sociological Association, which publishes the leading journal in the field (ASR), giving a presidential address:

She emphasizes how feminist and decolonial methods that bring sociological researchers into collaborative and participatory partnerships with broader communities can develop transformative solutions, building communities of hope, justice, and joy.

She appears to cite Hater-in-Chief Ron DeSantis!

at this time of rising authoritarianism, attacks on academic freedom, and loss of trust in science, sociology must recenter itself … DeSantis 2024

The implication that sociology is a form of “science” is interesting, but even more interesting is that the cited article is about Ron DeSantis, but isn’t by Ron DeSantis. It’s by Gary DeSantis, adjunct teacher at State College of Florida Manatee-Sarasota in the tennis training capital of Bradenton, Florida. Here’s the abstract of “‘We believe in education, not indoctrination’: Governor Ron DeSantis, critical race theory, and anti-intellectualism in Florida” by the other Mr. DeSantis:

This article examines how Florida Governor Ron DeSantis’ remarks contribute to anti-intellectualism and fuel the pushback against critical race theory (CRT) championed by like-minded conservative Republicans who view its instruction as an affront to society and authentic historical narratives. Dismissing educators and scholars who uphold the teaching of CRT as unpatriotic and denigrating to American society, DeSantis, who has presidential aspirations, has effectively used the issue (along with a number of other matters) to solidify his conservative base fearful of social and hegemonic change. Although CRT is not taught in Florida public schools, similar to other conservative-dominated states which have seized on the teaching of CRT as anathema to their civic principles, DeSantis’ thinly veiled attempt to appease right-wing voters is yet another example of Republicans stoking cultural wars designed to energize conservative constituents against what many of them perceive as liberal attacks on their beliefs and values.

Circling back to Joya Misra, in her address she mentions the problem of “overinclusion”, which does not mean hiring the incompetent/below-average because of personal characteristics:

In one article, we focus on the experiences of faculty of color, considering how faculty in the twenty-first century, in an era of DEI, still experience substantial exclusion and exploitation in their jobs (Misra, Kane-Lee, et al. 2024). We theorized three different processes. First, we conceptualized overinclusion: how faculty of color are asked to do more work, and work that is devalued in promotions, such as mentoring and service—leaving them less time for more valued activities, such as research, as well as less choice about what they would like to do

The second process we identified is active exclusion. Research on faculty of color has identified this issue for decades … Active exclusion explains why highly qualified people are not offered jobs, not offered good jobs, receive fewer resources for their work, or face greater challenges being promoted.

Prof. Misra’s personal work:

We have to do the work to identify inequalities before we can identify more equitable approaches. But I worry that we too often stop at identifying the disjunctures, the inequalities, and the brokenness of our world

The world is “broken” when someone like her can get a lifetime taxpayer-funded job?

As a feminist and as a methodologist, I suggest we build on participatory action and community-engaged methods to envision a different, more community-focused discipline … As such, I adopt an epistemological approach to knowledge production that builds on feminist and decolonial methodologies, even as it is at odds with some traditional approaches to empirical research. Feminists have long called for epistemological approaches that undo the divide between expert and participant

Building on this work allows us to link U.S. sociology to sociological traditions from other parts of the world, where the relationship between academia and activism looks different.

There’s a bit of hope in western Maskachusetts:

In the town of Amherst, where I live, we are working on a plan for reparations (Lord et al. 2023). How can we possibly make reparations for the centuries of enslavement, displacement, discrimination, death, and the constant grind of anti-Black racism? … So far, the town has pledged only two million dollars to the reparations fund and has yet to fully fund that two million … I am endlessly infuriated with the town for not doing more. And yet, what is the alternative? Not to work toward reparations?

Maybe there’s some social media output for Prof. Dr. Joya Misra, Ph.D.? A quick search revealed that she was far too virtuous to have an account on X. She posted on Facebook in support of what the Supreme Court found to be racism that violated the 14th amendment:

She was proud to have been injected with the Sacrament of Fauci:

What about on Blue Sky, the natural home for conventional-minded progressives? Joya Misra does have an account!

(When the candidate for whom the majority of people vote is elected, that’s the end of democracy.)

She re-skies (?) a blue (?) exhorting the righteous to #resist:

Considering all of the above, and remembering that this is perhaps the best sociologist in the United States (elected by peers to head their organization), would it be a net loss to the average citizen if all departments of sociology were shut down and the taxpayer funds redirected to economics, literature, engineering, and actual science?

16 thoughts on “Is the smartest response to the Jason Arday tragedy to eliminate academic research departments of sociology and education?”

  1. Many research universities started as teachers’ colleges, so for a university to get rid of its school of education is akin to patricide. It is sad, but it has to be done. It would not make much difference, though; the school of education is probably responsible for only 1–2% of the overall budget, and sociology makes up maybe another 1%.

    • SPiaS: The original post doesn’t suggest getting rid of schools of education that produce teachers, but only the “pretend to do useful research” part. So you could still have “how to teach” classes taught by expert teachers. Maybe, though, eliminating the bachelor’s degree in Ed. would be a good idea. Future teachers could major in #Science, English, or whatever else they’re most interested in ultimately teaching. They could take a few practical “how to teach” classes from people with actual K-12 classroom experience.

    • Given the abysmal quality of high school education today, “how to teach” classes appear equally ineffective. Even expert teachers have been compromised; schools of education have to go.

  2. It can be useful to know why we have classes, why the ruling class invented marriage, why all the women told us to get lost for 40 years, but probably not if they’re just preaching pronoun religions. Disappointing to find physics, natural science, biology, physical fitness, among the foresaken. Don’t even bother graphing music. How’s life without any new music going? The graph has definitely changed since the mass silicon valley layoffs of 1980, 1990 & 2001.
    Seen a few physics majors like Scott Manley make a few million. A lot of gootubers make a lot of money as personal trainers. Would consider most of the blue areas now heavily automated by AI while the red areas are the type of manual labor which is surviving.

  3. Would it really be an improvement if Joya Misra got an MBA instead of a Ph.D. in Sociology and became, say, CEO of PepsiCo?

    • WWCT: Yes. Perhaps she can turn PepsiCo into a feminist, social-justice driven organization (like Anheuser-Busch did with Mx. Dylan Mulvaney in 2023), thus lowering its stock price and dispensing profits to those trading options? Also, she can destroy its reputation and reach, thus resulting in a healthier America? She can also fire the good ol’ boys club (if there is one) and set a precedent in corporate America? In fact, I see many reasons for electing these types of individuals into CEO positions!

    • samue, I like your idea for Pepsico! One question: who to choose as the advertising mxspokesperson (I’m assuming Dylan is already contracted with multiple companies)? Also, how low can PEP’s stock go (trying to figure out which options to purchase)?

  4. Down here in Austin they are trying to shut down the sociology department exactly as you said. This is being taken as racism and being protested by the very students who would benefit from it being shut down.

  5. > Is the smartest response to the Jason Arday tragedy to eliminate academic research departments of sociology and education?

    No. I think, based on the example of Jason Arday, we should eliminate society and the entire K–20 (kindergarten to graduate degree) educational system. Both have clearly gone very, very wrong. Coming up with suitable replacements is left as an exercise to the reader.

    • > Coming up with suitable replacements is left as an exercise to the reader.

      Here’s a reference to start:

      [1] https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/6-034-artificial-intelligence-fall-2010/resources/6-034f10/

      I think a bright high school graduate, untainted by years of hardcore identity politics brainwashing and able to understand the concept of separating their professional scientific activity from their “identity”, could do a better job chairing the department than a lot of these “academics”. Relax the requirement of having a doctorate, which isn’t currently helping anyway. On their first day, introduce them to the scientific method, which is the prime directive of their department. “The scientific method is why we are all, comparatively, living like Nero instead of huddled in grass huts wearing animal skins in a hurricane discussing the flatness of Earth, the center of the universe,” the university president might explain.

      These peoples’ work reminds me of those extra-large lollypops with the colors swirled together. (As does my brain after reading one of these blog posts.)

      Additional hint:

      Start with a problem statement in a new project, don’t start with the conclusion, honey.

    • > I think a bright high school graduate, untainted by years of hardcore identity politics brainwashing

      I’ve fallen into the “unicorn trap” early, since they start this process at “K”. Hmm…

      Problem Statement: How do we reboot a complex industrial society and its broken educational system with the intellectual equivalent of bits of string and miscellaneous Lego bricks?

      [1] Aho, Sethi, Ullman (1986). “Want to write a compiler? (Bootstrapping)”. Compilers: Principles, Techniques, and Tools, pp. 725-729. Bell Telephone Laboratories.

      [2] Rhodes, C. (2008). SBCL: A Sanely-Bootstrappable Common Lisp. In: Hirschfeld, R., Rose, K. (eds) Self-Sustaining Systems. S3 2008. Lecture Notes in Computer Science, vol 5146.

      [3] Web resource: https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mas-714j-technologies-for-creative-learning-fall-2009/

  6. In my opinion, a better way to reduce college costs is the elimination of sports teams at many higher academic institutions. It would do a lot of good. Well, they can still have them, but they can’t compete, or perhaps only locally. As another commenter pointed out, these departments likely only make up 1% – 2% of the budget, so they are tolerated due to not affecting the bottom line much and avoiding costly litigation, dismissals, course restructurings etc. But if a college broke away and refused to drink from the free sports revenue stream, they would need to find other ways to reduce costs or increase revenue.
    Then again, a GAO report finds that most colleges actually spend more than they earn in the sports realm (https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-26-108640), so perhaps fiscal management is not the top priority at these institutions?

  7. Why not reduce the four year degree to three years? This could be done for most bachelors degrees, except for a few honors degrees. This should greatly reduce the costs and for most students be a good benefit to get into the workforce quicker. Professional masters degrees could be offered as evening programs for working people who want to extend their education. Remove the regular full time masters degrees and only keep the PHD programs for a select group of elite students that can demonstrate original research potential. Of course this will never be implemented because it would reduce the number of University faculty positions.

    • I was told by a veteran professor that the reason college is so long is so that it “beats the stupid out of you” before you enter the real world. Nowadays…

    • Phil, this young woman is so clearly perfect for Cambridge! If MIT doesn’t have a spot for her, I know Harvard would be ecstatic to have someone of this caliber! I’m off to the bank right now (payday!), but let’s touch base later?

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