Category: Cars, including self-driving

Tesla rental from Avis experience

by philg

A friend from the Northeast is getting his son settled as a freshman at the University of Florida in beautiful Gainesville. The program starts in the middle of the Florida summer for no reason that I can understand (if kids are smart enough to get into UF, ranked #30 by US News, you’d think they’d be smart enough to run away from July in Florida). His teenage daughter accompanied him. He rented a 2023 Tesla Model 3 “long range dual motor” with 52,000 miles from Avis in Orlando for the trip. Here are some of his messages to a group chat that includes a couple of Tesla owners.

  • Oh so my rental doesn’t have the famous FSD. Or EAP [Tesla Enhanced Autopilot]. Took 62% of the charge to get to Gainesville from Orlando. I am at 22% now and have range anxiety.
  • Wood veneer is coming off. Leather on the steering wheel too.
  • The car wobbles at 70-80 mph.
  • Some sort of a noise in the cabin – my guess something came loose.
  • UI is cool and looks Apple-y
  • The key card situation is kind of [Trigger Warning!] retarded. Mercedes keyless go is more ergonomic in the sense that it opens the car when you grab the handle. The concept of affordance.
  • The EV acceleration is cool, probably matches most sport cars 5x its price. One pedal braking feels pretty stupid.
  • Anyway I have two more days, but so far it is nothing to write home about and I am perplexed why you guys are SO in love with it. In terms of positives, its UI is certainly better than that of most cars, but it is changing. [Editor: I would vehemently disagree with this. A screen in the middle of the dashboard isn’t the right UI for a car! The driver shouldn’t have to turn his/her/zir/their head.]
  • [responding to the Tesla owners who tell him to use the automation] I am 100% engaging AutoSteer. It is what nearly every new gas car has today. I suspected based on description that this is what it was and it turned out to be exactly that. I had that in a Mercedes GLS since February 2017. It is utterly just meh. I drive around and I don’t feel a difference between it and other rental cars except excellent acceleration.
  • [responding to a Tesla owner who says he loves his new Tesla (HW4) with FSD] this reminds me of how Apple people speak about apple products. Irrational excitement about things available in other forms. “You should absolutely get it. It is simply the best and next level.” Then I look at it and go “this????” I am getting a [Toyota] Grand Highlander. [Response from a Tesla fanboy: You are like the people who argued for horses after the automobile came out.]
  • Right now there are two chargers in Gainesville. So many hot moms at UF. Not that many but infinitely more than in Boston because the number there is around zero.
  • There are douchebags like me sitting for half an hour here at the supercharger waiting for their cars to charge. 122 miles are 63% [the “long range” Tesla lost 63% battery over 122 miles; it starting charging at 467 miles/hr and once over 80% slowed down to 186 miles/hr]
  • [in response to my question about whether the charging station was somewhere convenient] No it is nowhere I wanted to be. I drove specifically there
  • My car performed at 1.9 miles per % charge. That is 95 mile radius with 0% charge upon arrival. 90 miles with 5% reserve. Basically if you remove fanboyism, it is very limited. Not a real car. However, this also says charge limit 85%. Why is it there, why is it set to this value and most importantly, why are we calculating ranges based on 100%. Let us assume a 5% reserve and 85% max. This leaves us with 80% battery which implies a 76 mile [round-trip] range.
  • [daughter] just got into the car and asked how come this car has constant weird noises. Something is clicking something is wiggling
  • it was in the worst shape of any rental car i got in the last two years or more
  • Tesla key card only works on the driver side and not on the passenger side. I know I’m using it wrong. I should be using an app like the enlightened people. So I had to go around the car to lock it.
  • We got into the car this morning. The car was hot because it was black. I reached out to turn the vent to blow on my face for some time and discovered that its vents aren’t adjustable.
  • Navigation is seriously flawed [Tesla does not supply CarPlay and Android Auto like every other car]. It says turn right on west X road while the signs show turn left on west and turn right on east. I have never seen this happen on Waze.
  • Its vehicle detection has a ton of mistakes. It detects big electronic signs as cars. Sees objects on the road that aren’t there. So if FSD relies on this stuff, I am not sure it works as advertised.
  • [the tall son] just said – “Back seat is terrible. I had to get out and stretch because everything hurt”; These people are used to driving for 4-5 hours in the back of a car non-stop to NYC.
  • I will have to add 30 minutes to my travel time because I have to return the car charged to Avis. Or I will be charged at crazy rates (similar to not filling up your tank).
  • Tesla shackles me and adds hours of tax on my freedom.

One of the Tesla owners in the chat, whose Tesla Y is just three months old (latest AI hardware), posted a video of his drive home on FSD. “Dark, rain, lane changes, stop lights, merge onto highway, passing other cars, sharp curves.”

Question: If Full Self-Driving is great and Tesla knows that it is great why wouldn’t Tesla enable it on all rental Teslas so as to promote sales of the machines?

Also, why doesn’t Tesla have support for rentals in its app whereby Avis or Hertz can conveniently authorize a renter temporarily to use the Tesla app instead of the key card? Tesla actually does have support for authorizing additional drivers who will use the app, but it appears to be a facility more for family members who are going to be long-term authorized drivers.

He included a photo of what might be intended to appeal to white cisgender heterosexuals who claim to be “allies” of the 2SLGBTQQIA+ community:

My own story: I rented a beater Chevy Malibu from Avis in Idaho (about 50,000 miles and smelled like a “bustling Gaza shisha cafe”). It had more than 500 miles of range forecast and delivered. Drove about 800 miles and spent maybe 6 minutes at two charging stations. We couldn’t have done our trip in the above-described rental Tesla without significant planning. Craters of the Moon is in a no-charger desert as well as a no-water desert (energy.gov):

We drove 154 miles from Sun Valley (Ketchum) to Twin Falls by way of Craters of the Moon:

If we’d been delivered a rental Tesla 3 at 85 percent and didn’t use Dog Mode or cabin overheat protection we would have perhaps made it into Twin Falls on fumes and with bitten nails.

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Drug dealers and the police agree that the C8 Corvette is awesome

by philg

Happy National Corvette Day to those who celebrate.

Here’s a heart-warming example of Americans with different perspectives coming together and finding common ground (Road & Track):

“Florida Highway Patrol Adds C8 Chevy Corvette to Patrol Car Fleet”

The C8 Corvette was seized from a drug dealer, and now will be used for community outreach — as well as enforcing traffic laws.

(Photo from the FHP’s Facebook post.)

In the same spirit, let me post some rainbow images that I hope everyone can celebrate for the end of Pride (until Omnisexual Visibility Day on July 6). These are from yesterday at Shoshone Falls in Idaho:

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Why are car insurance liability minimums so low?

by philg

Happy National Insurance Awareness Day to those who celebrate. (And Happy Pride to everyone else.)

From a friend in the Boston suburbs:

My kids got hit by a Haitian immigrant. The car is totaled. I am talking to his insurance company and they tell me, yeah so he is only insured up to $10,000 (damage to third parties).

(His teenagers were driving a minivan and weren’t hurt, fortunately. The migrant hit them from behind so his car would have needed to go through two empty rows of seats before reaching the children in the front seats.)

It turns out that the noble enricher was overinsured by Maskachusetts standards:

State governments love to regulate. They have a structure in place for requiring car insurance. Why are these limits set ridiculously low? It would be almost impossible to crash into someone else’s car and do less than $5,000 in damage. Things are complicated to some extent by the “no-fault” idea, but wouldn’t it make more sense to have minimum insurance set at the average cost of a car, e.g., if a driver hits a parked car and there is no doubt whose fault it is, or at the average cost of repairing a house after a car hits it?

How much damage was done by the Haitian whose presence in the U.S. makes all of us better off?

Progressive said they would pay $11k for the totaled [2012] Sienna and said they would arrange for me to come and sign papers. They called back and said that MA law requires that they run a check on me before issuing me any checks to make sure I don’t have any outstanding child support. It would then be deducted from my settlement

Even hitting a 13-year-old car did damage more than 2X the minimum! Separately, note that the tragic car destruction could have been a welcome payday for a family court entrepreneur. Finally, note the astounding value of a 13-year-old minivan!

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How to upcycle Tesla Cybertrucks

by philg

Californians found a way to upcycle the Cybertrucks whose creator they now hate:

Here’s how Tesla drivers in Los Angeles defend against vandalism:

I’m not sure why this excuses the inexcusable. “I voted for Hitler before I knew that he would attack Russia” would also work? Why doesn’t the Tesla owner have to sell the car to a Deplorable in Texas, for example, and buy a Chevy Tahoe (as Sen. Mark Kelly did) or a Toyota Prius or whatever?

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Who needs a 1,250 horsepower Corvette ZR1X?

by philg

From Chevrolet:

A regular C8 Corvette will get you to Publix with 495 horsepower. A Z06 Corvette has 670 horsepower and, thus, about the same power-to-weight ratio as an IMSA GTD Pro race car. What is the use case for the ZR1X in a country that has 342 million people (Census; perhaps 350-360 million if we believe Yale) trying to use roads designed for a nation of 150 million?

The heaviest Ferrari 308 was 255 hp and only a little lighter than the 495 hp Corvette. Nobody said that was an underpowered sports car. What balance of engineering considerations resulted in a 4,000 lb. car having more horsepower than a 10,500 lb. Pilatus PC-12 11-seat aircraft?

Also, in a country where the average IQ falls every year who is going to service this complicated machine? It’s awesome to own what will no doubt be a collector’s item, but will anyone have the skills to fix it 20 or 30 years from now?

Here’s a Facebook post about a 30-day repair to find an electrical problem in a Corvette with the base engine supplemented by an electric motor:

This is an aviation level of maintenance hassle for an in-production car where everyone at the dealer and everyone at GM should have fresh knowledge of how the E-Ray is supposed to work.

I guess I have to admit being in awe of the engineers who built a machine with this much horsepower that can also be sold with a 5-year powertrain warranty and the offer of an extended warranty!

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Wheels Across the Pond 2025 car show

by philg

In honor of D-Day (June 6, 1944), a few photos from Wheels Across the Pond 2025 car show, an annual event in Jupiter, Florida that showcases British and European cars (April 19 this year). It’s free for spectators and only $45 per car for show vehicle owners so it is unclear how the event survives financially.

Our show began in the $10 premium parking lot with a rare Talbo. These were apparently made in Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, one town to the south, beginning in the mid-1990s. One sold in 2023 on BaT for $230,000 (2023 dollars, remember!). The BaT description: “Designed to resemble a Figoni et Falaschi-bodied 1930s Talbot-Lago T150C SS, the car features fiberglass bodywork finished in burgundy over a tubular steel chassis, and power comes from a 5.0-liter Ford V8 paired with an AOD four-speed automatic transmission. … TLC Carrossiers Incorporated was founded by former Pratt & Whitney engineer George Balaschak in 1990 to create a car inspired by the 1938 Talbot-Lago T150C SS that utilized modern running gear.” (Pratt has a big operation, complete with its own airport (private 7000′ runway), just west of Jupiter/PBG.)

A local art car was parked right near the entrance:

(The biggest art on display here is keeping an older Jaguar running!)

A guy whose dad was the original purchaser of a 1967 Morgan exhibited the family heirloom ($4,092 in what we are informed is our inflation-free society; about 75,000 Bidies today for a replica) and let us touch the wood that supports the body:

The English struggled to make decent cars before they were enriched by migrants. Examples:

Now that the UK is fully enriched, the Aston Martin DBX (not based on a Volkswagen like most of the high-dollar European SUVs) is available. It might be worth the $288,000 price if they could just make the interior a little more orange:

Since we don’t care about pedestrian safety anymore (if we did, we would impose a 50% tax on SUVs and pickups not purchased by people with honest jobs), why can’t we get this look for the nose of our Honda minivan?

Here’s a display that attributes the 1950s decline of the British luxury car industry to the British “victory” in WWII:

Turning now to the country that the British purportedly defeated, we find a great example of speaker-listener disconnect (“pragmatic failure” for the academics)… “I’ll pick you up in my BMW and we can go out for lunch” (a 13 horsepower 1957 BMW Isetta 300):

For scale, next to a baby stroller:

What Germany was able to build before it became an Islamic (as measured by hours spent on religious activities) nation (1961 Mercedes 190SL; current value about $150,000):

A Fiat Topolino and perhaps the only surviving Marot-Gardon (the owner drives it around his Palm Beach County (Lake Worth Beach) neighborhood):

Elizabeth Warren was at the event, but I didn’t get a chance to ask if I could join her on a taxpayer-funded trip to visit Kilmar Abrego Garcia:

Also in the motorcycle section, a 20 lb. bicycle from 1900, no carbon fiber required and the roads back then weren’t as smooth as they are now:

Who agrees with me that the 20-year-old Ferrari 360 is more attractive than their latest and greatest?

(They seem to be available used for about $100,000. It was $153,500 in 2000, which translates to roughly $285,000 in today’s mini-dollars (i.e., it wasn’t a great investment if held from new). Our neighbor who owns a couple of Ferraris says that maintenance on the 360 is astronomically expensive due to the need to drop the engine in order to replace a timing belt that has a 3-year life. “Ferrari realized that the reputation for excessive maintenance costs was killing sales so they made the F430 a lot cheaper and easier to service,” he said. Used F430s are perhaps 10-20% more expensive than the 360.)

Let’s close with some Deplorability, a MAGA sticker on a Superformance replica and a “Black Labs Matter” explanation on an old Land Rover:

There were a ton of recent McLarens at the event, but I don’t want to include any here because they’re as common as dirt parked in the strip malls of South Florida. Also, according to a friend who owns a Ferrari and an Aston Martin (24 cylinders total!), McLarens are horribly unreliable and expensive to maintain, e.g., due to broken axles. I’m also leaving out the Triumphs and MGs because the Mazda Miata is so much better.

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Peace, love, Microbus, and MAGA

by philg

Eighty-eight years ago today, on May 26, 1938, the Nazi Party’s union labor organization laid the foundation stone of the first Volkswagen factory. Adolf Hitler was present to witness this step in his 1933 vision becoming a reality. (DW) And, of course, today is Memorial Day where we remember Americans who died in our fight to strip the Germans of their empire (a fight that might not have been necessary if we and the British had stayed out of World War I?).

Let’s have a look at a cherished survivor of this company’s output, spotted here in Jupiter, Florida:

It seems to have one of the 5 mph bumpers that NHTSA required from 1973-1982 so perhaps it is a second generation (1967-79) bus, beloved by hippies, anti-war agitators, Grateful Dead fans, etc. Here’s the surprise…

A closer look…

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Checking up on my 2003 Chinese-made car price prediction

by philg

From 2003, The Chinese car:

Within 10 to 20 years the Chinese will be able to sell a car that is very similar to today’s rental car: 4 doors, 4 seats, air conditioner, radio, new but not fancy. It will cost between $2000 and $3000 in today’s dollars. With cars that cheap it will be unthinkable to manufacture in the U.S. Consumers won’t bother to finance a $2000 purchase separately (maybe they’ll add it to their credit card debt).

Among the large range of my failed predictions, this one would appear to have been an unusually spectacular failure. Very few Chinese-made cars are available in the U.S. and they cost $40,000-70,000, not $3,000. Maybe there is some hope for salvaging my reputation as a prophet. “What a $15,000 Electric SUV Says About U.S.-China Car Rivalry” (Wall Street Journal, May 3, 2025):

For an American used to a $50,000 gasoline-powered SUV as the standard family choice, the Chinese market is hardly recognizable. … Chinese car buyers no longer need to debate whether an EV can be made affordable, not when a decent starter model costs $10,000 and a luxury seven-seater with reclining massage chairs can be had for $50,000. … Toyota said its bZ3X—the recently introduced model that starts at $15,000—was designed in China by the company’s engineers in the country, who worked with a local joint-venture partner. It is made in Guangzhou with Chinese batteries and driver-assistance software from Momenta, a Chinese leader in that field.

I was off by a factor of more than 3X, then? What if we adjust for the inflation that the government assures us doesn’t exist? Adjusted for official CPI, $3,000 in 2003 is equivalent to about $5,250 today. So I was off by only a factor of two! What if we try to adjust for inflation as experienced by Americans who buy houses? (official CPI excludes the cost of buying and living in a house in favor of a hypothetical “owner equivalent rent”) The Case-Shiller Index has gone from 133 to 324:

If we adjust the $3,000 number from 2003 with the growth in house prices, we get $7,300. My prediction was of a $7,300 car, then, in today’s money and the WSJ says that $10,000 now buys a reasonably good car (denied to Americans, but available in the world’s largest market for cars).

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46:1 ratio of car repair cost to failed part cost

by philg

Happy National Odometer Day to those who celebrate…

By taking a car to the dealer three times, I learned how white women with Long COVID feel. After every visit, the dealer said “Your AC is working perfectly.” On the fourth visit, the diagnosis was “There is no refrigerant in your system. It all leaked out from a failed receiver drier.” Because of Climate Change, I had no idea what a receiver drier was. From the Interweb:

1.They act as a temporary storage container for oil and refrigerant when neither are needed for system operation (such as during periods of low cooling demand). This is the “receiver” function of the receiver drier.
2.Most receiver driers contain a filter that can trap debris that may be inside the A/C system.
3.Receiver driers contain a material called desiccant. The desiccant is used to absorb moisture that may have gotten inside the A/C system during manufacture, assembly, or service. Moisture can get into the A/C components from humidity in the air. This is the “drier” function of the receiver drier.

It turns out that this is a $28.44 authentic General Motors part, including dealer markup. The total repair bill was nearly 46X this amount, however, at $1,297.34. I have to believe that this is some kind of record.

(Fortunately, the entire cost was covered by a $2,600 GM Protection Plan that I had purchased after hearing frightening tales of $25,000+ transmission replacements. The 2022 Chevrolet has only about 7,000 miles on it and will be covered by this extended warranty until it is 11 years old.)

It is a little tough to understand how the labor added up to $1,057.50. The shop’s nominal rate is $225/hr so that would be 4.7 hours of labor happening between the 7:45 am dropoff and 10:53 am “your car is washed and ready” pickup. Perhaps, though, this also includes some diagnosis time from Service Visit #4? Friends who’ve been getting Toyota and Audi repairs in Maskachusetts and Florida have reported some huge labor estimates/charges relative to the flat rate labor hours found with a Google search and/or the actual time the car spent in the shop. Dealers seem to be quoting and getting fixed prices that work out to $300-400/hr. for their labor. I wonder if car care has become like human care: you’ll pay a way higher price if you don’t have insurance and, therefore, it makes sense to buy “insurance” even when you don’t need the insurance part of the insurance (i.e., to shift the risk). Or just buy a high-quality Georgia-built Kia with its 5-year bumper-to-bumper warranty and 10-year powertrain warranty (Kia achieves its superb quality without the benefit of union workers).

Separately, let’s raise a glass of DOT 3 brake fluid to our 2021 Honda Odyssey (built in Alabama by non-union workers who rejected a UAW organization effort). After 4.5 years and 50,000 miles it has suffered exactly 0 failures of any kind. (The only expenses have been for maintenance items, such as oil changes, wiper blades, battery, tires, and brakes.) Due to the miracle of Bidenflation, the minivan is currently selling, in nominal dollars, for almost exactly what we paid for it (survey of similar-mileage Odysseys offered by dealers).

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Should a DUI conviction result in a license limited to operating a self-driving car?

by philg

Loyal readers know me as a neo-Prohibitionist (see Reintroduce Prohibition for the U.S.? (2016) and Use testing and tracing infrastructure to enforce alcohol Prohibition? (2020) and Coronaplague, experts, and Prohibition (2020)).

Courts are reluctant to take away convicted drunk drivers’ driving privileges because in many parts of the U.S. it is very difficult to function without a self-driven car (less true now than in 2005 due to Uber/Lyft).

How about an intermediate restriction on a convicted DUI American: a license limited to operating a full-self driving car? In an ideal world, of course, the supervisor of Tesla FSD wouldn’t be drunk. But if an alcoholic is going to be out on the road, and we know that alcoholics will be out on the road, wouldn’t all of us be far safer if the drunk driver’s job were limited to supervising an AI? The car itself could be tweaked to recognize that the driver was too impaired by alcohol for even the supervision function and then shut itself down.

We shouldn’t condone either drunk driving or drunk supervision of driving, of course, but on the other hand the U.S. is jammed with behavior that nobody condones. So maybe it is best to be realistic about our fellow Americans’ capabilities. Some people cannot lay off the booze (I actually don’t blame them. I was offered alcohol at 6:45 am by JetBlue a few months ago and nearly every restaurant in Florida seems to make various kinds of alcohol available with breakfast). If we accept that, maybe we can mitigate with a license restriction.

Jalopnik:

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